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As far as casual play goes, yes it is the largest group.  Though the thing about them is they will most likely not have the cards that are cared about on the no print list.  If they do then even a smaller group of them cares about if any of those cards get reprinted.  So I just can't see much push coming from a casual crowd on the reprint list.  Legacy casual just means you are not restricting cards based on when they were printed.  So I can throw my Black Vise in my deck against you and nobody is going to cry "thats not a standard card" because you have no concept or don't care.

Jan 15, 2013 -- 1:45PM, Cyklown wrote:

@PanteraCranes: if SCGames is pro list then they are running an epic deception. They're fairly well known for publishing articles stating that the list is poisoning the game and providing support for nonsanctioned proxy 10 tournaments.

Running proxy tournaments does not mean that Star City Games necessarily favors abandoning the Reprint Policy, since playing with proxies doesn't necessarily threaten the value of existing copies of the important cards.
Here's an article by Ben Bleweiss on Star City Games that I think establishes that they're not trying to fool anyone. They acknowledge that the Reprint Policy causes problems, but also they note that there is a need for it in some form.
I'll admit that other views have been expressed by other Star City Games employees, but it should also be noted that some other dealers are much less open to the idea.

Jan 15, 2013 -- 1:45PM, Cyklown wrote:

Theres also almost no legal basis or protection for the list. The only, and I do mean ONLY principle that could in any way be used is estopel (is it to Ps? Eh). In the case of estopel it could easily be also rendered irrelevant by simply anouncing that they were re-reviewing the list with an intent to find a fair solution, wait, state that the list is dead, wait, start makung functional reprints, start making small amounts of new art cards and start making new art foil.date and winner named cards for really high profile events.

Here, I absolutely agree. After the Phyrexian Negator contretemps, I spoke out against those who suggested that Wizards was spooked by somebody's lawyers.
But in my opinion, this point is moot. Because what matters is that while disgruntled dealers wouldn't have a leg to stand on in suing Wizards for abandoning the Reprint Policy, they certainly could stop buying new product from Wizards, holding sanctioned events, and so on and so forth.
Oh, yes, incidentally, estoppel is spelled with two "P"s.
If Wizards makes it clear that a revised Reprint Policy won't lead to reprints of the "good" cards, and so it won't cause any valuable cards to decline in value, that shouldn't be a problem. The trouble with that, as I've noted, is that it will only address the portion of the issue that people generally don't care as much about.

The Reseved List has absolutely nothing to do with appeasing dealers.  How many game shops actually hold Legacy/Vintage tournaments.  Compare that to how much they make on new product.

Having a bunch of over-priced stock sitting on their shelves not moving, is not the position a retailer wants to be in.  Having reasonably priced products that fly of the shelves is preferable. 

How many Moxen and Dual Land does a place like SCG sell in a year?  Enough to care?  How many boosters and Standard legal singles do they sell in a year?  I'm sure they're not going to release that information, but do the logical extrapilation.

It's obvious that WOTC must have some kind of contract with some invested group that does actually care about the List, it just isn't "the retailers".

How much sense would it make for a game shop to say to WOTC, "If you reprint X, Y, or Z cards, we'll stop carrying you're product that keeps our doors open".

My personal theory about the List is based on anecdotal evidence from conversations I've had with early Magic artists(I've know a few personally).  Which is that they(WOTC) made some promissory contract with early artists and employees, since one of the ways these people were paid was with
unopened product.
Pet theory and nothing more.

@ quidibloc, I'm not saying that shops never sell these cards, it's just that these cards are not a large volume of the income for shops in a given year.  I've seen P9 and Duals at many shops.  They still make more(by a large percentage) on newer product.

Jan 15, 2013 -- 8:05AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

The original game may have been, but they've been developing with constructed formats in mind since probably as far back as Ice Age.

No they've stated countless times most design work goes to limited enviroments.

If they were designing for constructed.
Set size would need to be cut down(the huge size of magic sets exists to provide good limited enviroments), creature combat keywords are largely irrelevant in constructed so we can forget about those but that works fine when we are running 60 card sets, removal would need to cost more at least 4 for murder probably 5.
Shall i go on? 

 

Jan 16, 2013 -- 10:11PM, quadibloc wrote:

Also, we don't need reprints of the P9. Wizards could print official proxies, so that their copyrights and trademarks are not violated by proxy games. Like this, for example.

No, that is a stupid idea.
Official proxies = real cards.