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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 1:09AM
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If my opponent plays Primal Surge from his deck with Jace's -8 ability, I know I can counter that card since you "may cast that card". However, can he then take Cancel from my deck and use it to counter my counter. I think he can't because either both cards must be cast at the same time and there for, there is no target for Cancel, or because my counters effect resolves before he searches through my deck for Cancel. Can anyone help resolve this for me?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 1:50AM
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No they cannot. When Jace's ability resolves, they search each player's library for a card and then cast it. It's not an effect they get to do over the course of the turn, they search each library and cast a card from each one. Since the ability does not give a time frame to cast the card (like "until end of turn"), they cast all of the cards while Jace's ability is resolving. So they cannot use Jace's ability to cast a counterspell to counter your counterspell, since your counterspell is not on the stack while Jace's ability is resolving.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 7:09AM
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However, the spells aren't cast all at once, so he could cast Primal Surge  from his library and Reverberate  from someone else's library targeting the Primal Surge.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 9:05AM
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Jace, Architect of thought  So all the free spells go on the stack before any resolve, and no players gets priority between the free castings, only after they all are cast?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 9:09AM
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correct
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 9:09PM
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So if he plays primal surge and I counter before he searches my deck can he search my deck and cast cancel before my counter resolves
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 9:13PM
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Primal Surge doesn't search not sure I understand your question how does Jace relate to Primal Surge ?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 9:35PM
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Jace, Architect of Thought  He is asking that, if Jace's Ultimate gets Primal Surge and Cancel  can he use the Cancel to counter his opponent's counterspell. The answer is No. When you ultimate jace, you have to get both cards, then cast both. Your choice is to cast Primal Surge, and then counter your own primal surge; or cast only primal surge. (Edit: or you can choose to cast neither, technically) However, the spells aren't cast all at once, so he could cast Primal Surge from his library and Reverberate from someone else's library targeting the Primal Surge.
This isn't entirely true.
You can indeed get Primal Surge, and cast a Reverberate on it - but if your opponent responds to the Reverberate with Cancel (targeting the Primal Surge), the primal surge will be countered, and then the reverberate won't do anything.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:30PM
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So if he plays primal surge and I counter before he searches my deck
you can't do this, you have to wait for him to finish using Jace's ability completely before you can cast anything
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 11:16PM
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However, the spells aren't cast all at once, so he could cast Primal Surge from his library and Reverberate from someone else's library targeting the Primal Surge.
This isn't entirely true.
You can indeed get Primal Surge, and cast a Reverberate on it - but if your opponent responds to the Reverberate with Cancel (targeting the Primal Surge), the primal surge will be countered, and then the reverberate won't do anything.
That doesn't make any of what FezzHead said any less true.
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