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Flag CadaverousBl00m January 9, 2013 9:00 PM PST


Ghor-Clan Rampager (Uncommon) -
Creature - Beast
Trample
Bloodrush - , Discard Ghor-Clan Rampager: Target attacking creature gets +4/+4 and gains trample until end of turn.
"The Simic come from the cold slow depths. How could they understand the fire in a wild heart?" - Kroshkar, Gruul Shaman

Source: DailyMTG
Flag metallix87 January 9, 2013 9:01 PM PST
Jeez, you guys are getting faster and faster. You're absolutely smoking me this spoiler season...
Flag Suudsu2200 January 9, 2013 9:02 PM PST
Doesn't seem playable. No haste kills it.
Flag Enigma256 January 9, 2013 9:03 PM PST
this is excellent
not as a creature, but for the Bloodrush
Flag petercai January 9, 2013 9:03 PM PST
Limited ALL STAR. This will be first picked over 80% of the rares and all the removals
Flag metroidcomposite January 9, 2013 9:04 PM PST
Oh wow.

That's almost certainly a constructed card; didn't Colossal Might get significant constructed play?
Flag Jahikoi January 9, 2013 9:04 PM PST
So, you guys know how Bloodfray Giant simply wasn't beatable on turn 4 on the play?


Yeah, this is better than Bloodfray Giant.
Flag CadaverousBl00m January 9, 2013 9:04 PM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:01PM, metallix87 wrote:

Jeez, you guys are getting faster and faster. You're absolutely smoking me this spoiler season...




What can I say? I Evolved!

Flag shieldofash January 9, 2013 9:04 PM PST
werent a bunch of people saying that any trample bloodrush would only give MINIMAL P/T boosts? lol
Flag Kazepenku January 9, 2013 9:04 PM PST
limited is fine. RG for +4/+4 and trample is fine, but the cost is also discard creature card.
Flag RorixCollector January 9, 2013 9:05 PM PST
Completely bonkers in limited won't see constructed play.
Flag Enigma256 January 9, 2013 9:05 PM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:04PM, Kazepenku wrote:

limited is fine. RG for +4/+4 and trample is fine, but the cost is also discard creature card.


no
the cost is just to discard this card
just like you'd "discard" a Giant Growth

Flag CadaverousBl00m January 9, 2013 9:06 PM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:03PM, petercai wrote:

Limited ALL STAR. This will be first picked over 80% of the rares and all the removals




No kidding. It's almost : Destroy target blocker and deal some face damage in the process.
Very good for its bloodrush cost.

Flag jedi123 January 9, 2013 9:06 PM PST
This is good.  2 mana pump and trample is likely good enough to see some play
Flag Iamwinterborn January 9, 2013 9:06 PM PST
Okay, so limited wise...


Whut.  So I can either have a 4/4 with trample for 4cmc... or G+R for +4/+4 and gives trample.  At uncommon.


I think I am going to need to show up an hour early for my prerelease just to make sure I can get Gruul.
Flag nopemx6 January 9, 2013 9:06 PM PST
4/4 Trample for 4 or a Titanic Growth +Trample?  Love it.  The Bloodrush ability on this card could push it into many a constructed deck.   
Flag Mono789 January 9, 2013 9:08 PM PST
Owwww.  I think this one holds some promise.
Flag pigknight January 9, 2013 9:10 PM PST
It'll see constructed for the bloodrush.

Between this and Big Pig, Gruul is looking bonkers.
Flag dontmess17 January 9, 2013 9:10 PM PST
methinks orzhov might actually be the only guild that can survive the unloading of hands gruul is threatening... this is nuts
Flag felbatista January 9, 2013 9:16 PM PST
In a world where pump spells are playable in Standard, you can't get much better than this. If this world is our world, I don't know. Completely bonkers in limited, though.
Flag pigknight January 9, 2013 9:18 PM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:10PM, dontmess17 wrote:

methinks orzhov might actually be the only guild that can survive the unloading of hands gruul is threatening... this is nuts



I think Gruul will kill before the Orzhov can get an extort engine going.

Flag Strolpol January 9, 2013 9:20 PM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:05PM, Enigma256 wrote:

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:04PM, Kazepenku wrote:

limited is fine. RG for +4/+4 and trample is fine, but the cost is also discard creature card.


no
the cost is just to discard this card
just like you'd "discard" a Giant Growth


Except you also have the benefit of your pump spell being utterly uncounterable, barring some Stifle shenanigans.

Flag I-rock January 9, 2013 9:25 PM PST
Splash for this Boros keyrune.  Or splash for this in boros with a Keyrune on the board.

Faceroll the opponent, the blockers, and laugh maniacly.

Seriously though, Gruul is looking more intimidating by the card.  People thought Bloodrush would be overcosted, but so far we have the ever efficient Swine, and now this at uncommon.  Gruul is going to be the monster in the house methinks.
Flag RPJesus January 9, 2013 9:30 PM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:02PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

Doesn't seem playable. No haste kills it.



Who needs haste when you have Super-haste ?

Flag TranscientMaster January 9, 2013 9:54 PM PST
It's obviously not competing for the 4-drop creature slot where Hellrider and friends rule. The fact that is can be played as a sub-par 4-drop when you need it is just icing on the delicious extremely-efficient-pump-spell cake.
Flag Wynzerman January 9, 2013 10:27 PM PST
This is quite fine for both of it's modes. But especially because it has two modes.
Flag CommanderGreven January 9, 2013 11:40 PM PST
Wow, way to go Gruul.
Flag Eonblueapocalypse1 January 9, 2013 11:41 PM PST
Seems constructed playable. Even better than the Bloodrush Boar. Have to grab 2 of these to screw around with in my Naya list.
Flag Shadowchu January 9, 2013 11:47 PM PST
This card is going to be ****ing gross in limited. My god. 
Flag Rokukel January 10, 2013 1:14 AM PST
This is nuts! As a creature its decent and the Bloodrush is bonkers.
Flag TEA_DEMON January 10, 2013 1:47 AM PST
holy tits this is amazing
Flag Highwayman January 10, 2013 2:02 AM PST
Seems borked in limited - choose between uncounterable  colossal might  with +0/+2 or leashed bloodfray giant with +0/+1.

Yeh, I would draft this highly.
Flag un_diplomatic January 10, 2013 2:27 AM PST
Creature is passable, and with that ability I think it will see constructed play.  
Flag skot1420 January 10, 2013 2:55 AM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 2:02AM, Highwayman wrote:

Seems borked in limited - choose between uncounterable  colossal might  with +0/+2 or leashed bloodfray giant with +0/+1.

Yeh, I would draft this highly.





I understand how this gets around thalia's ability but how is this uncounterable? Was confused when I read that in the featured article as well....is the way its worded getting around it actually being cast and its more like your activating an ability of Ghor-clan? Sorry ahead of time for my ignorance :/

Flag ilvmymustang January 10, 2013 3:01 AM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 2:55AM, skot1420 wrote:

Jan 10, 2013 -- 2:02AM, Highwayman wrote:

Seems borked in limited - choose between uncounterable  colossal might  with +0/+2 or leashed bloodfray giant with +0/+1.

Yeh, I would draft this highly.





I understand how this gets around thalia's ability but how is this uncounterable? Was confused when I read that in the featured article as well....is the way its worded getting around it actually being cast and its more like your activating an ability of Ghor-clan? Sorry ahead of time for my ignorance :/




You're activating a mana ability....not casting a spell, so it never goes on the stack.  Thus, priority is never passed, and that snotty blue mage doesn't get to say "no!"

Flag speedy92286 January 10, 2013 3:02 AM PST
YES YES YES! A 4/4 trample for 4 or a discard to for red/green to give a creature 4/4 and trample? THIS is how I imagined the mechanic to turn out.

Bomb in limited and a 4 of in my Gruul deck. Bloodrush has potential to be a great mechanic, and this card proves it very well.
Flag Bemontok January 10, 2013 3:20 AM PST
Oh man, Gruul gonna be crazy at limited, maybe I should swap to gruul instead of boros?
well might just wait for full spoiler.
This card is very good in limited, might see constructed play, its very simple and no downside, I like it!! 
Flag Apollo_8089 January 10, 2013 3:25 AM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 3:01AM, ilvmymustang wrote:

Jan 10, 2013 -- 2:55AM, skot1420 wrote:

Jan 10, 2013 -- 2:02AM, Highwayman wrote:

Seems borked in limited - choose between uncounterable  colossal might  with +0/+2 or leashed bloodfray giant with +0/+1.

Yeh, I would draft this highly.





I understand how this gets around thalia's ability but how is this uncounterable? Was confused when I read that in the featured article as well....is the way its worded getting around it actually being cast and its more like your activating an ability of Ghor-clan? Sorry ahead of time for my ignorance :/




You're activating a mana ability....not casting a spell, so it never goes on the stack.  Thus, priority is never passed, and that snotty blue mage doesn't get to say "no!"





Close, but not quite You're just activating an ability of the card, not actually casting it - therefore, there's no 'spell to counter as such. Stifle would work to counter Bloodrush though.

Mana abilities are things that add mana to your mana pool, and there you're exactly right, they can't be responded to  

Flag Nocculum January 10, 2013 3:49 AM PST
4/4 and trample, nice artwork, and good typing...

And to make something +4/+4? Jesus...this is a 4 of for Gruul, without a doubt. 
Flag animatics January 10, 2013 4:15 AM PST
Solid Bloodrush card, will see play for sure.
Flag I-rock January 10, 2013 4:29 AM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 3:25AM, Apollo_8089 wrote:

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Close, but not quite You're just activating an ability of the card, not actually casting it - therefore, there's no 'spell to counter as such. Stifle would work to counter Bloodrush though.

Mana abilities are things that add mana to your mana pool, and there you're exactly right, they can't be responded to  




Which brings to an interesting thought, now that you mentions Stifle:

It seems like a perfect time for a Stifle-like printing.  Plenty of activated/triggered abilities out for it to be relevant, and it's not incredibly powerful.  I could see something being printed at Uncommon, though not exactly stifle.  Maybe not stifle per-se, but a counter to activated abilities.

Just a musing.

Flag John_Q._Mayhem January 10, 2013 5:09 AM PST
I feel it is not unlikely for there to be a reprint of Squelch or a riff on Voidslime . Although if they were going to do a Voidslime reference I suspect they'd have spoiled it already.
Flag Zauzich January 10, 2013 5:28 AM PST
Yea, between Miracle triggers and Bloodrush it seems a perfect time to get stifle into modern... if they decide they want stifle in modern that is. Of cource they could stick with "whatever, throw it in there and then we can just ban it."
Flag Fenix. January 10, 2013 5:28 AM PST
WOW this is an uncommon... absolutely in INSANE in draft.
Flag Purple_Shrimp January 10, 2013 5:37 AM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 4:29AM, I-rock wrote:

Jan 10, 2013 -- 3:25AM, Apollo_8089 wrote:

..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />
Close, but not quite You're just activating an ability of the card, not actually casting it - therefore, there's no 'spell to counter as such. Stifle would work to counter Bloodrush though.

Mana abilities are things that add mana to your mana pool, and there you're exactly right, they can't be responded to  




Which brings to an interesting thought, now that you mentions Stifle:

It seems like a perfect time for a Stifle-like printing.  Plenty of activated/triggered abilities out for it to be relevant, and it's not incredibly powerful.  I could see something being printed at Uncommon, though not exactly stifle.  Maybe not stifle per-se, but a counter to activated abilities.

Just a musing.



stifle actually works against all 5 gatecrash mechanics, neat
if there's a powerful stifle-esque card in the set I'll be very happy

Flag I-rock January 10, 2013 5:48 AM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 5:28AM, Zauzich wrote:

Yea, between Miracle triggers and Bloodrush it seems a perfect time to get stifle into modern... if they decide they want stifle in modern that is. Of cource they could stick with "whatever, throw it in there and then we can just ban it."




That's what I'm thinking.  There's been some griping also from the community as a whole about Thragtusk , and it would handily deal with both this problem and the ridiculousness that comes from Restoration Angel (The real offender of the decks that run both).  And although the red burn spell is a decent enough counter to it, it doesn't really solve that problem.

An uncommon "Counter target activated or triggered ability" at 2 cmc seems plausible(I doubt they'll straight up reprint stifle). 

And it just makes sense for limited play, as its becoming more apparent that Gruul is going to be a powerhouse with bloodrush.  It would provide a decent answer, without being terribly overbearing.

It would be a heavily used card, methinks, but not one that is meta-defining(It would be run in the SB of every blue deck at least, but it wouldn't swing games in a degenerate manner it would seem).


Flag I-rock January 10, 2013 5:55 AM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 5:37AM, Purple_Shrimp wrote:


stifle actually works against all 5 gatecrash mechanics, neat
if there's a powerful stifle-esque card in the set I'll be very happy




That is interesting.  Would add an extra level to the play, and given either Simic or Dimir a fighting chance (Although I think Simic stands pretty strong now that we have seen quite a few, Dimir needs some lovin). 

Out of the 10 guild mechanics, 8 are pretty much activating or triggered abilities, with only Unleash and Overload being completely exempt.  It wouldn't completely hose any of the guilds either, however would just give players a toolkit to use. 

Flag Angry_Toy_Poodle January 10, 2013 5:57 AM PST
ub card, counter target activated or triggered ability, it's controller discards a card
Flag Darkwolfer2002 January 10, 2013 6:05 AM PST
best bloodrush card spoiled so far I think
Flag Glare_of_the_Loxodon January 10, 2013 6:43 AM PST
This is uncommon!?! Whoa.
Flag Arioch22 January 10, 2013 7:15 AM PST
Just feel the need to reiterate what a ridiculous bomb this is in limited. Going to be so unfun to play against.
Flag Captain_Kidney January 10, 2013 8:02 AM PST
Without even playing it, I'd rank this guy among the upper-echelon UNCOMMON creatures of all-time. 
Flag Angry_Toy_Poodle January 10, 2013 8:12 AM PST
nasty with mwonvuli beast tracker

depending on the situation, beast tracker is a 6/5 trample, or you cast this guy after combat main step.

Gross
Flag bay_falconer January 10, 2013 10:51 AM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:02PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

Doesn't seem playable. No haste kills it.




It's +4/+4 and trample for two mana...or a 4/4 trampler for four mana.

So, if you're already playing , it's already better than Titanic Growth (and stacks nicely with all Growth spells).

Flag sperry January 10, 2013 11:34 AM PST
This card is so sick.  Pump has been bad in the past because if you draw it with no board it's a complete blank.  This quite nicely solves that dilemma. Both sides of the card are reasonably costed.   A 4 mana 4/4 trample is a very reasonable card, that wouldn't be embarassing to play by itself, although likely not good enough.
Flag Taramoor January 10, 2013 12:02 PM PST
Uncounterable +4/+4 and Trample for ...

Yeah.  This guy will probably be in a deck or two. 
Flag HairlessThoctar January 10, 2013 12:34 PM PST

I got my hopes up when I saw the art and thought it was a minotaur. ):

Flag Frostraven January 10, 2013 2:37 PM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 9:04PM, Kazepenku wrote:

limited is fine. RG for +4/+4 and trample is fine, but the cost is also discard creature card.




At instant speed.

+4/+4 + Trample wins games. FAST.

And like someone said: It cannot be countered, unlike Giant Growth.

This is just obscene. 

Flag CrazyToast January 10, 2013 2:42 PM PST
Is it just me or are the uncommons better than the rares in this set?
Flag Vorpal_Laugh January 10, 2013 4:40 PM PST
If, I was draftting  green or red I would happily splash the other for this card.
Flag MrIndigo January 10, 2013 5:26 PM PST
This card is fine, but seems way overrated.

Kai Budde had the right idea - 4 for a 5/5 upside creature is not playable these days - this is not as good. Niche playable at best.
Flag I-rock January 10, 2013 5:56 PM PST

Jan 10, 2013 -- 5:26PM, MrIndigo wrote:

This card is fine, but seems way overrated. Kai Budde had the right idea - 4 for a 5/5 upside creature is not playable these days - this is not as good. Niche playable at best.




I don't know how constructed playable it is, although I can see it getting some uses.  Its not *amazing* in constructed, but the bloodrush is cheap enough that it might see play just for that as a finisher.

That said, it will be a beast and a half in limited environments.  A 4/4 for 4 is worth playing in limited, a 4/4 with trample for 4 is almost bomb worthy (Not quite, but its up there).  A 4/4 with trample that couples as a Titanic Growth + Trample in a pinch is definitely first pickable in draft, and auto-include in sealed.

Flag nopemx6 January 10, 2013 10:22 PM PST
This is the 1st Uncommon card i've ever pre-ordered...  weird.       
Flag Dabok January 14, 2013 1:29 PM PST
This card is MAGNIFICENT!
When I first saw the Bloodrush mechanic, I wasn't too sure of it.
I'm not unsure anymore! I love Gruul! :D
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Now for a more "casual perspective" (as always)... This card's good! It's not overcosted as a creature, it's a GREAT pump spell for cheap AND the versatility is what makes the card. Definitely a house in kitchen-table magic games
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