A face-down creature has no abilities, right? Not even the replacement effect, so by the time it would be a Colossus again, it would have to already be in the graveyard, at which point it's too late to do anything instead. If the Colossus is in the library, it's hidden, but it still has its abilities.
If an effect forced you to reveal a face-down permanent (but not turn it face up), would you show what the actual card is?
I'm not sure what you mean. Revealing means showing people what the card is.
What I mean is that "face-down" is not the same as "hidden." If you revealed a face-down creature, you'd show exactly what it is: a 2/2 creature with no abilities.
Wait! Colossus has not been settled yet! The replacement effect does not exist while it's in the Library; still, it works. Why not from the Field (even when hidden)?
Yes it does. All cards have the abilities printed on them in all zones. Colossus' ability is not a battlefield-exclusive ability, it works in all zones.
If the Colossus is in the library, it's hidden, but it still has its abilities.
Not according to rule 112.6.
I guess the «from anywhere» text allows Colossus to work under rule 112.6b...
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What I mean is that "face-down" is not the same as "hidden." If you revealed a face-down creature, you'd show exactly what it is: a 2/2 creature with no abilities.
no you will reveal what it actually is, it will just remain face-down for rules purposes
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
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So, in the end, the collossus will be shuffled in the owner's library or not ?
In this scenario no. On the battlefield it was a face down creature, which is a 2/2 with no abilities. It's revealed as it leaves the battlefield, but it's not actually a darksteel colossus again until it's in the graveyard, which by then is too late. It remains in the graveyard.
So, in the end, the collossus will be shuffled in the owner's library or not ?
In this scenario no. On the battlefield it was a face down creature, which is a 2/2 with no abilities. It's revealed as it leaves the battlefield, but it's not actually a blightsteel colossus again until it's in the graveyard, which by then is too late. It remains in the graveyard.
Cool.
As opposed to the Lorwyn reincarnations or the legendary Eldrazis ("when put into the graveyard from anywhere") but any creature with "When put into the graveyard from the battlefield" wouldn't trigger indeed.
Rules question? Have you read the Basic rulebook already? No? Why not take some time to do that?
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