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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:29PM
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Dec 13, 2011
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Is it possible to "reveal" a card in a public zone? Let's say that I control a Darksteel Colossus  that's been turned face-down  . If it then gets destroyed, what actually happens? If I reveal it from the battlefield, I'll just reveal a face-down creature, right? If it's still revealed after being shuffled into my library, then I'll reveal the actual card, but does it remain revealed during or after the shuffle? For that matter, how does Darksteel Colossus even work for this situation? It doesn't have the replacement ability while it's face-down, so will it actually hit the graveyard?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:33PM
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Jan 24, 2011
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Yes. Cards do it with the exile zone all the time.
When a face-down permanent leaves the battlefield, it gets revealed as it leaves. If it's a colossus, you'll reveal a colossus, then put it into the graveyard (its replacement effect wasn't active as it left).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:34PM
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all face down cards that leave the battlefield have to be turned face up then the replacement effect kicks in, you reveal it (it's visible already anyway) and shuffle it in the library
/edit: overruled 
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:34PM
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...so its shuffle-me-into-lib replacement ability won't trigger apply?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:35PM
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...so its shuffle-me-into-lib ability won't trigger?
it's not a trigger
if it was a trigger  it would surely trigger, since it would be an "enter the graveyard trigger"
but since it is a replacement effect ShardFenix disagrees with me
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:36PM
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Shard_fenix is correct here. The card is only revealed, not turned face up. It won't be a face up card until it's in the graveyard and by that point it will be too late for it's replacement effect to apply.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:38PM
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The only replacement effects that look into the future are "Enter the battlefield" replacement effects. "Leaves the battlefield" and "enters (any other zone)" replacements have to exist before the event happens.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:39PM
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Interesting. Thanks.
If an effect forced you to reveal a face-down permanent (but not turn it face up), would you show what the actual card is?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:41PM
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Wait! Colossus has not been settled yet!
The replacement effect does not exist while it's in the Library; still, it works. Why not from the Field (even when hidden)?
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:42PM
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If an effect forced you to reveal a face-down permanent (but not turn it face up), would you show what the actual card is?
I'm not sure what you mean. Revealing means showing people what the card is.
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