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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 2:34PM
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Dec 30, 2010
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Jace, Memory Adept  Psychic Spiral  I understand that each card draw is a separate trigger. Is this true for "milling" or discarding of cards as well? For instance, if I were to use Jace's 0: ability of making myself discard ten cards, would that be ten separate triggers of "place a card in your graveyard from your library" that could be responded to accordingly? Could I (with eight cards in my library) place seven cards in my graveyard, then respond to the eighth trigger by casting Psychic Spiral and placing it on the stack, then shuffling all of my graveyard back into my library, then allowing the eighth through tenth library-to-graveyard triggers to resolve? Is it also possible for me to use Jace's -7: ability to draw twenty cards, then discard a certain number of cards before using Psychic Spiral, as if each discard were a separate trigger? Or will that fail because cleanup is a completely different design in regards to discarding cards? Thanks for any help you can offer.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 2:36PM
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Putting cards from a library to graveyard does not count as discarding them. You can not cast any spells while Jace's ability is resolving.
During clanup step you can not normally cast spells. You do not gain priority while discarding cards until you reach maximum hand size.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 2:37PM
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May 15, 2001
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Players do not get priority in the middle of another spell/ability resolving.
When you use Jace's 0 ability it does NOT put ten "Mill 1" objects on the stack. Drawing multiple cards is the same way, each card draw is distinct, but they are not seperate objects.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 3:06PM
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Jan 24, 2011
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If you had a card like Pedantic Learning  , it will trigger multiple times if multiple lands are milled in one event. The same is true for Undead Alchemist  .
Rules Advisor Please autocard: [c ]Disenchant[/c ] = Disenchant  .
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 3:14PM
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See, there's where I'm confused. If something like Pedantic Learning did trigger for each card that was milled, is it just that Jace's "mill ten" ability resolves first, then each trigger that was relevant would be added to the stack AFTER the mill ten was resolved, despite the fact that it's happening during the mill ten event? I guess I'm just trying to understand how the timing of the stack works with a singular ability that affects multiple cards, be they a part of the ability itself or a result, thereof. Let me try an alternate example that might make things much more logical for *ME*. If I were to cast Primal Surge  and a number of ETB triggers came from various cards that were revealed with the Surge (we'll say Primeval Titan  , Avenger Of Zendikar  , Rampaging Baloth  's Landfall ability alongside some lands)...regardless of my ability to prioritize the stack with their abilities, would none of them reach the stack until after the Primal Surge completely resolves because it is one singular effect, despite having varying results?
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 3:21PM
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Jan 24, 2011
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Triggered abilities can trigger anytime, even during the resolution of a spell or ability (although they don't go on the stack at that time, they wait until the spell or ability is done resolving). They can trigger any number of times, as long as the condition is being met. So if you mill yourself 10 cards, and 4 of them are lands, Pedantic Learning will trigger four times (one for each land milled), and all 4 will go on the stack after all ten cards are milled. Your example is correct. Primal Surge puts everything on the battlefield in an order, but all the "enter the battlefield" triggers will go onto the stack in any order you like and at the same time. Here's a counterexample for that specific case: If the last card you revealed is Soul of the Harvest  , you will not draw any cards from it, because it entered the battlefield last. This has nothing to do with the rules - it happens that way because the card specifically says the permanents enter the battlefield at different times. If it were Genesis Wave  , then they would all enter simultaneously and every creature would "see" every other creatutre enter the battlefield.
Rules Advisor Please autocard: [c ]Disenchant[/c ] = Disenchant .
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 3:21PM
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Jul 28, 2010
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triggers cannot be put on the stack while another ability or spell is resolving
they wait in "limbo" until a player would get priority, and are put on the stack at that time
proud member of the 2011 community team
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6 months ago ::
Jan 12, 2013 - 2:47PM
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If you have Collective Blessing  out, it will modify the creatures put out with Primal Surge . If you have Palisade Giant  out it will redirect the damage from a Lightning Bolt  cast through Epic Experiment  before it also redirects the damage from a Searing Spear  cast from the same epic experiment.
These are static effects as opposed to triggers.
Triggers are never put on the stack until a player receives priority like Enigma said.
The context of the card is what determines whether or not each instance of multiples will cause multiple triggers.
For example with Drogskol Reaver  if you attack with 7 lifelink creatures you will draw at most 2 cards from that combat.
Once when first strike damage is dealt, and once when regular combat damage is dealt (provided you are actually dealing damage with lifelinkers in both combat steps), since all combat damage is dealt at the same time, and life is gained at the exact same moment.
But if I have a Mentor of the Meek  and play a Seller of Songbirds  , Mentor will trigger twice, once for each creature even though both entered the battlefield at the same time (well I could be wrong about them entering at the same time).
The same with Druids' Repository  . If I attack with 6 creatures it will put 6 counters on it.
This is all because of the wording of the cards rather than because of any blanket rule that states it always is a certain way.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 12, 2013 - 4:05PM
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For example with Drogskol Reaver if you attack with 7 lifelink creatures you will draw at most 2 cards from that combat.
Once when first strike damage is dealt, and once when regular combat damage is dealt (provided you are actually dealing damage with lifelinkers in both combat steps), since all combat damage is dealt at the same time, and life is gained at the exact same moment.
nope, you draw a card when each creature with lifelink deals damage
so in this case most likely 8 cards
118.9. Some triggered abilities are written, “Whenever [a player] gains life, . . . .” Such abilities are treated as though they are written, “Whenever a source causes [a player] to gain life, . . . .”
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6 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:29AM
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nope, you draw a card when each creature with lifelink deals damage
so in this case most likely 8 cards
118.9. Some triggered abilities are written, “Whenever [a player] gains life, . . . .” Such abilities are treated as though they are written, “Whenever a source causes [a player] to gain life, . . . .”
Well that's good to know. I guess I was wrong about a blanket rule there. I like Drogskol Reaver more now too.
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