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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 1:34PM #1
Lord_of_fuddies
Date Joined: Jul 27, 2011
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Topic title says it briefly, and I know it will vary from deck to deck as all things in EDH do. But what I'm wanting is opinions. How do important do you think discard outlets are? What kind of cards do you use to discard? Answers like these will (selfishly speaking) help me be a better deck builder. But if I really don't think it's worth talking about, I wouldn't clutter up da forums.


TBH, I run a Mimeoplasm deck, and I know discarding can be pretty important at times (the cards I currently use are Fauna Shaman , and three different looters ).

Unfortunately, due to the speed of the deck, as well as sometimes being without this and having Consecrated Sphinx and this guy sometimes I can't spell sling enough. I also of course am running a dredge/mill build with cards like these .


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I currently run a deck for Standard, Modern, Commander and Legacy.
For standard, I have a typical, horribly budget Rakdos Deck Wins.
For Modern, I have a very lovable mono-green, resistant to removal type of deck.
For Legacy, I'm trying too hard to break Pyromancer Ascension .
For Commander/EDH, I'm running The Mimeoplasm .
A little morals thing about me, I like winning through combos, but not infinitely.

However quiet, I am a Christian, so feel free to tell me you are too, it's always a relief.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 1:46PM #2
malpheas
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2006
Posts: 1,417
Survival of the Fittest
Tortured Existence
Buried Alive

Would be my guess.

Another fantastic grave engine is

Mesmeric Orb
Basalt Monolith

Hmm, turns out I didn't actually answer the question.  I'm not sure that the discard engines are what you want for the most part.  I think you need equal parts sac outlet that does something ( Phyrexian Plaguelord , Phyrexian Tower or Fallen Angel ).  IF you find a quality discard outlet that advances your board state, then yes.  You have good examples in looters, but I personally think that survival is the best at what it does.  

Short answer, the balanced two for one approach is always the best.

Cheers,

Malph
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 1:58PM #3
Lord_of_fuddies
Date Joined: Jul 27, 2011
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Jan 8, 2013 -- 1:46PM, malpheas wrote:

Survival of the Fittest
Tortured Existence
Buried Alive

Would be my guess.

Another fantastic grave engine is

Mesmeric Orb
Basalt Monolith

Hmm, turns out I didn't actually answer the question.  I'm not sure that the discard engines are what you want for the most part.  I think you need equal parts sac outlet that does something ( Phyrexian Plaguelord , Phyrexian Tower or Fallen Angel ).  IF you find a quality discard outlet that accomplishes your board state, then yes.  You have good examples in looters, but I personally think that survival is the best at what it does.  

Short answer, the balanced two for one approach is always the best.

Cheers,

Malph  





It's a troubling situation indeed, finding discard outlets compared to sac outlets.

SotF is obviously excellent, if only I could afford it (the reason I run the Shaman)
I keep forgetting about Tortured Existence and how excellent it would be (occasionally, milling Eternal Witness is a problem ya know?)

Buried Alive says at the beginning of your combat step, target player loses the game, It's not an outlet, it's a wincon XD.

I C Wut U did Thar .

Sac outlets are board presence affecters, which mill is terribly strong at, but I try. I'm looking for discard outlets, that is.... Hand manipulation rather than board manipulation.

But thank you Malph.

Decks I run

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I currently run a deck for Standard, Modern, Commander and Legacy.
For standard, I have a typical, horribly budget Rakdos Deck Wins.
For Modern, I have a very lovable mono-green, resistant to removal type of deck.
For Legacy, I'm trying too hard to break Pyromancer Ascension .
For Commander/EDH, I'm running The Mimeoplasm .
A little morals thing about me, I like winning through combos, but not infinitely.

However quiet, I am a Christian, so feel free to tell me you are too, it's always a relief.

Cheers!
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 10:42PM #4
Scytale1
Date Joined: Mar 21, 2010
Posts: 204
You could run cards from the dreams cycle:

Sickening dreams
Restless dreams
Insidious dreams
Nostalgic dreams
Turbulent dreams
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 10:47PM #5
niheloim
Date Joined: Feb 3, 2008
Posts: 6,220
Search gatherer for rules text discard a card.
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 10:56PM #6
niheloim
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In all seriousness you might use Thought Gorger ... you can flicker the guy with deadeye navigator or something.
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 09, 2013 - 5:07AM #7
moxmadness
Date Joined: May 28, 2010
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You are all forgetting why gush got a mid-season ban and that would be Psychatog I run him in Damia, Sage of Stone and hes pretty much a house.  Also I used to run a lot of discard engines in that deck and found things like Hermit Druid  that dump stuff directley in to the yard to be much more useful.  But I run a silly ammount of recur and reanimate in that deck so.   But if your still looking for discard outlets small pox hidden horror wistful thinking and Anvil of Bogardan have always been favs of mine


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5 months ago  ::  Jan 09, 2013 - 7:17AM #8
Zauzich
Date Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Posts: 805
Did a few gatherer searches.

Sphinx of Lost Truths Alexi, Zephyr Mage Greel, Mind Raker , Skirge Familiar , Compulsion
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 09, 2013 - 7:40AM #9
niheloim
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Null brooch
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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