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5 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 11:37AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 17, 2012
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Top Decks article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 9:28PM
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- Warm, wet and squishy inside
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It's big benefit is making itself big fast, then making big mana late game. It's not really so much for the acceleration, because it's behind the curve from the start. Growing it is a little trickier than you make it out to be, and it looks like a "win more" card to me. Ultimately, 2/3 or better for 2 is still pretty good. Tarmogoyf  did fine for itself in the two mana slot, but it doesn't require a deck filled with creatures to be respectable.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 12:55AM
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Oct 23, 2006
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"You can make the argument that Gyre Sage doesn't "grow" as easily or consistently as Quirion Dryad, but let's put this in a different context: Gyre Sage gets big simply by doing the stuff you would want to do anyway."
Uh... No. In MiracleGro, Dryad grew by countering  your opponent's  spells  and by card  advantage  and  selection  . Gyre Sage asks you to overcommit to the table, as it only keeps growing as you get more and more creatures and open yourself more and more to a Supreme Verdict  ; MiracleGro never asked its pilot to do so. It's more like a weird hybrid of Tarmogoyf , Viridian Joiner  , and/or Werebear  for me.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 1:13AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 25, 2003
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It won't grow half as fast as Quirion Dryad. And the fact that it doesn't really help you overcome a mana screw is also an important issue.
Still, I like the card, though I'm unsure as to where I'm going to use it.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 2:02AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 10, 2013
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She doesn't have to be that big to ramp my Biovisionary-Infinte Reflection, (if only I had an Initiate of the Ebon Hand for blue). In my groups social free-for-all games, I look forward to having her evolve (and make it easier) every turn that I cast a roaring primadox'ed Prime Speaker Zegana, eventually fueling a Biomass Mutation.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 2:44AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 16, 2004
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Increasing Savagery  ! But yeah, this is just Viridian Joiner It has a built-in way to grow, that'll be great in Limited, but is the classic example of encouraging overextension in Constructed.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 2:51AM
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 3:47AM
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Apr 15, 2002
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Comparison between the two cards seems extremely forced.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 7:34AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 24, 2003
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Nothing about the card asks you to overcommit. Obviously it gets better the more creatures (bigger than it) you play.
Given the context of the proposed deck that the card would be in....a midrange green deck...you're ALREADY GOING to play big creatures was his point. Why not get the bonus effect of growing a the card for a creature you were already going to play...who will also then effectively read "reduce the cost of all spells/creatures you control by x, where x is the number of counters on Card".
Gyre Sage does indeed ask you to overcommit. The problem is that Gyre Sage needs you to have all your creatures in play at the same time. It's not enough just to have big creatures in your deck; you actually need to play them, one after another, while Gyre Sage is still on the battlefield. Without having to worry about Gyre Sage, you could play a big creature, wait for your opponent to deal with it (possibly using a board sweeper), then play another big creature, and so on.
And adding X mana to your mana pool is definitely not the same thing as reducing the cost of all of your spells by X.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 7:38AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 28, 2004
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I think there's a big difference between growing a creature with Brainstorm and Gush and Force of Will and growing one with creatures. Comparing an old seven year plus dual lands Extended to Standard is also strained. (I don't think Miracle Gro would have worked in a hypothetical format that used Breeding Pool  instead of Tropical Island  .) I still think the creature will be nice, and I'd love to put that mana into Sphinx's Revelation  and Bonfire of the Damned  . But the kind of deck that has these big spells also has fewer creatures, and probably wants the less fragile ramp of Farseek  or Chromatic Lantern  .
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