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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 2:56PM #11
malpheas
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2006
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Yes.  He was brilliant as a commander.  I started to drift away from the original premise, so I had to be careful.  Like playing a Wrath of God in the deck or whatnot... select planeswalkers as well.  I personally like Gaddock over sisay, she's just a change of pace. 
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 3:12PM #12
DerMeisterDoktor
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2011
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My Teeg deck is in the Decklist Compendium. With the way I had it built, I didn't have to switch anything when I swapped generals. Teeg is a great general. I was new to the playgroup and hadn't played much EDH so I only switched to Sisay because of peer pressure.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 3:37PM #13
BioMasterZap
Date Joined: Dec 13, 2009
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Thanks for letting me know. I guess I won't give up on Gaddock after all; although it may be worth looking into a Sisay swap if it the decks end up being close in builds.
Besides running a lot of creatures and avoiding 4CMC non-creatures, anyone have advice for the deck? Think it would be okay to use the occasional Day of Judgment or such or would you say it is best to stick completely to 3CMC or less non-creatures? Any notable 3CMC non-creature you'd want to suggest to make sure I didn't miss? Also, any great creature you'd suggest (preferable ones that can almost take place of the 4CMC non-creatures)?

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 3:50PM #14
DerMeisterDoktor
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2011
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community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... is the list for reference. It's worth it to run wrath/day despite Teeg because there will be times when he isn't on the field.  Mageta, the Lion was kind of an all-star. Same with the angels in the deck. Marshall's Anthem was really good and over the 3-cmc mark.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 3:56PM #15
malpheas
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2006
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Some of the stuff in my deck before it began to morph:

Aura of Silence
Oblivion Stone
Eternal Witness
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Sun Titan (The nuts in this deck, by the way)


New tech that comes to mind:

Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Saffi Eriksdotter
Angelic Renewal
Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 4:33PM #16
BioMasterZap
Date Joined: Dec 13, 2009
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Thanks for the link; I am sure it will be useful. I will be sure to add a few 4CMC+ non-creatures cards, but I'll try to keep it to a min (under 5 probably). Mageta the Lion sure is a unique one. Personally, I feel a bit eh about discarding 2 for a board wipe; he'll probably make deck or at least high on swap, but I doubt he will be one of my first to buy (and I dare not check the price).
Quick question, if opponent tries to play a 3CMC artifact while I have Gaddock and Aura of Silence on field, does the Aura make it 5CMC and thus unplayable or can my opponent still play it since it was 3CMC to start (just needs to use 2 more mana)? I will certainly note all those cards to consider. I know for a fact that Sun Titan will make the deck though.
One thought I had; think it is worth using some of the flicker cards (e.g. Otherworldly Journey , Flickerwisp , Liberate , Safe Haven , Tawnos's Coffin , and Voyager Staff ? I can see it being useful to let me remove Gaddock for a turn in case I wanted to Day of Judgment or use Mageta the Lion's effect. Although it would still let my opponent use their instants/flash 4CMC+. Still, I personally can see how those cards have potential in this deck, at least some of them.

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 4:50PM #17
malpheas
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2006
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I wouldn't worry about not having gaddock on the board.  If your opponents are willing to go to length to get rid of him, then you're better off for having had him slow them down. 

As well, he's low enough casting cost that you can retrieve him soon enough.

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 5:30PM #18
BioMasterZap
Date Joined: Dec 13, 2009
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Jan 8, 2013 -- 4:50PM, malpheas wrote:

I wouldn't worry about not having gaddock on the board.  If your opponents are willing to go to length to get rid of him, then you're better off for having had him slow them down. 

As well, he's low enough casting cost that you can retrieve him soon enough.





True. Still, I am tempted to toss in a couple flicker cards. If not for Gaddock (e.g. they target with a Condemn and I flicker out; wasting their spell and keeping Gaddock in play without raising his cost), I can always use on other creatures to avoid wipes or removal. In most decks I would sly away from the idea of using flicker without a lot of targets that make use of it (although I may end up using some Detain cards or things like Armada Wurm that use flicker); but in commander I am sure the odds are someone will have a kill spell and with Gaddock around I think the odds are they will come at me XD Also I can flicker out opponent's creatures to remove counters, destroy auras, or just remove their blocker. Journet and Liberate would be my two main choices, maybe Voyager Staff. Tawnos's Coffin seems awesome, but 4CMC so it would make it tricky. Still, it is probably worth using the Coffin for removal aspect.

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 8:01PM #19
malpheas
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2006
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I'm not trying to convince you not to save Gaddock, but I had a great point put to me by a friend the other day.  He said, "Why would I use a tutor?  I'd rather just have something good to draw."  I don't quite agree with him, but I can see his point:

If you focus on stuff that saves your commander or other creatures, or whatnot, what else could you have put in that is going to advance your board position instead of being defensive and tricksy?  You've got some points in that you can do more than just save Gaddock with the cards you have ideas with, but do they threaten the opponent?  Can they be effective on their own?

That all being said, Tawnos' Coffin is a favourite of one around here.  I really like the card, as well.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 8:16PM #20
BioMasterZap
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Yah, that is why I say this is one of the few decks I'd consider using flicker in. In most deck, it would be a cool trick, but it just isn't practical. It really depends on opponents and their playstyle. E.g. if opponent doesn’t attack and doesn’t use kill spells and plays defensive with a Niv-mizzet or such, they probably won't be nearly as useful. But the odds are that in a good game with a few foes they will be worth it, especially when I can dodge that nuke.
Also, considering it will only be 3 out of 99 cards, it won't be taking too much away from the deck. On their own, they probably won't be to useful, although they can stop a foe from swinging at me for game by removing their big attacker. I defiantly think they are versatile enough to try.

Also, just to note, I found another card that seems interesting: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben . While it doesn’t seem to combo with Gaddock (e.g. even if it makes a spell 4 cost, it still ahs 3CMC and can be cast) it seems a bit interesting. Although 1C isn’t much, so maybe it isn't worth running. Still, I would like this deck to focus mostly on creatures so something like this could be interesting.
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