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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 9:31AM
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Date Joined:
Dec 13, 2009
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Originally, I was going to get rid of this deck with my WUR (built around colors, never had a good commander) and B/BR (was bit eh, decided to try WB instead) Commander Decks. But while working on my URG-Riku Commander Deck, I decided that it wouldn't be so bad to have more than 2 commander decks. I guess I felt having 4 commander decks was just too many costly cards to work at, but at same time I liked idea behind this one and I think I'd be willing to try to keep it on more of budget. As the title mentions, the commander is Gaddock Teeg. I only used the deck once, but it was enough to realize how much people hate that commander. This deck focused heavily around Mana Ramp and Creatures. I personally avoided using many high cost non-creatures since my commander makes them useless. Instead, I tried to focus all my cards around low cost removal of white, but I still had the occasional 4+ cost like Day of Judgment.
The only problem I encountered was that people really hate Gaddock. Within a few turn of playing him (before game came back to me), someone always killed him. So I kept having to pay more and more to cast him while my opponents got to use any spell they pleased, while building a much better field presence than I did. So what I want from this topic is advice on how to rebuild the deck. Should I still shy away from 4CMC+ non-creature cards in my deck and use the sparing at best? Think it would be worth packing a ton of shroud and hexproof to protect Gaddock? Or do you think Gaddock will always be a lightning rod no matter what I do and that I should use him more as a decoy than a centerpiece of my strategy?
I still feel concept of deck is one of my better commander decks, since it revolves around commander. I just hate to see him die constantly; it just feels like the deck doesn’t fulfill its purpose. Since I am reworking my URG-Riku deck and planning to build a WB Commander, I am a bit hesitant to bring this one back into the mix. I do have an old version of it built still; it doesn’t have a lot of valuable cards, but it has enough to function. You think I shouldn't give up on it yet?
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 9:54AM
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a friend of mine made one. he put sigarda  in it. I have one in my krond  . Yeah, regardless of whether or not he's your commander, he usually paints a target on your head in this format considering the number of spells he stops people from playing. If it's going to be W/G control based, play armageddon  and maybe go that route...a late game armageddon in this format, when you have colored artifact mana, and your opponents don't since they don't expect it, is funny. Granted one 'geddon is a reach, but you have green at your disposal and manipulators like mirri's guile  and sylvan library  ... kismet  can also help slow your opponents down, he is a build that can be fast.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 10:07AM
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Date Joined:
Dec 13, 2009
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I really wouldn't call it a control. More of something to mess with the opponents. The idea is more to stop them from using their 4CMC+ non-creature while my deck was built knowing the restriction. The problem is that he dies quick, and them I'm left with a deck that lacks powerful spells. So I guess the main thing I am wondering is which of the following seems more practical for the deck:
1-Focus around non-creatures under 3CMC and add a bunch of hex-proof/shroud to hopefully keep Gaddock safe.
2-Use Gaddock more as a decoy to force my opponent to use their removal while in reality I am packing a fear amount of 4CMC+.
I may consider using Armageddon, but I personally feel it is too iffy with either of the above choices.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 10:20AM
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I really wouldn't call it a control. More of something to mess with the opponents. The idea is more to stop them from using their 4CMC+ non-creature while my deck was built knowing the restriction. The problem is that he dies quick, and them I'm left with a deck that lacks powerful spells. So I guess the main thing I am wondering is which of the following seems more practical for the deck:
1-Focus around non-creatures under 3CMC and add a bunch of hex-proof/shroud to hopefully keep Gaddock safe.
2-Use Gaddock more as a decoy to force my opponent to use their removal while in reality I am packing a fear amount of 4CMC+.
I may consider using Armageddon, but I personally feel it is too iffy with either of the above choices.
I think you should find a happy mix of both 1 & 2. gaddocks ability is blanket, and tough to come up with a "theme" for...for example, rith can have a token deck around him.
You could almost make him like a white green zoo deck.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 10:43AM
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Date Joined:
Dec 13, 2009
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Personally, I don't see mixing the two to work too well. If I do add a bunch of cards to protect Gaddock while adding 4cmc+, I may end up with a dead hand just like my opponents, which seems like a waste of energy. I defiantly want the deck to emphasize on creatures either way, since Gaddock doesn’t affect them at all. So pretty much the theme is screw the non-creature spells, unleash a horde =P
So the question is more which seems more practical: trying to keep Gaddock alive by adding cards to hexproof/shroud him or expecting Gaddock to die and only using him to distract opponents. I just don't seem the two choices mixing very well. Personally, I would prefer try the first one more and just make sure Gaddock stay around (at least enough that he has an impact). I am just not sure if it is practical to try.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 11:18AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2006
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Go take a look at my build, the thread is called Would like some help with Gaddock Teeg.
Keep in mind that if you play that version of the deck. They will find you. And they will kill you. But you've got a pretty good shot.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 12:30PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 10, 2011
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People will always kill him/you cuz Teeg is a megajerk. That being said he was my first EDH deck and made a lot of people angry so I know your pain.
I ended up switching the deck to Captain Sisay so it seemed less threatening, but could still tutor up Teeg and such.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 1:02PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 13, 2009
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Go take a look at my build, the thread is called Would like some help with Gaddock Teeg.
Keep in mind that if you play that version of the deck. They will find you. And they will kill you. But you've got a pretty good shot.
Found it. Thanks for mentioning it. It should prove very helpful with the deck with all the cards listed.
People will always kill him/you cuz Teeg is a megajerk. That being said he was my first EDH deck and made a lot of people angry so I know your pain. I ended up switching the deck to Captain Sisay so it seemed less threatening, but could still tutor up Teeg and such.
Sisay is an interesting card for sure. If I do decide against Gaddock, I will certainly consider trying her instead.
One of the main things I am asking though his do you think I should stick with Gaddock? There are very few commander decks that wouldn't want to kill him (ironically, I think my Riku may not mind him, at least with some hands XD). I currently don't have an EDH group, but I think it is safe to assume that no one will be happy to see him (besides a person with a better Gaddock deck).
TBH, I am not too concerned about everyone hating me for playing the deck; I mean I can always pick a different deck if they hate him THAT much. I am more of worried that the deck will be hard to play because he is such a target. So can a Gaddock deck work well or is it a tad situational? E.g. would I find it a ton easier to play Sisay over Gaddock or is Gaddock not really that different than other decks?
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 1:58PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 10, 2006
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I ended up switching the deck to Captain Sisay so it seemed less threatening, but could still tutor up Teeg and such.
I'm at that point with my Gaddock deck at the moment. I thought about changing to Sisay. I'll have to rework, of course. I changed it not because the deck was irritating, most of my playgroup take things with a grain of salt (by that I mean destroy on sight, I still win some games with him, though), but because I have too many edh decks and instead of remaking a skeleton of a deck, I wanted to use the same rough outline.
If you do go Sisay, I can suggest some good legendary things:
Masako the Humorless 
Reki, The History of Kamigawa 
Umezawa's Jitte 
Gaea's Cradle 
Kor Haven 
Yavimaya Hollow 
Nemata, Grove Guardian 
Kamahl, Fist of Beats 
etcetera...
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6 months ago ::
Jan 08, 2013 - 2:49PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 13, 2009
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I changed it not because the deck was irritating, most of my playgroup take things with a grain of salt (by that I mean destroy on sight, I still win some games with him, though)
Thanks for the suggestions. Two things I want to ask. 1-From that comment, it seems that Gaddock was still useful despite all the hate aimed at him. So in your opinion, do you think Gaddock actually does serve his purpose enough as a Commander to make it practical to build a deck around him? 2-Did you find the Gaddock deck irritating at all? Do you personally I'd be better off going for Sisay over Gaddock?
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