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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:49PM
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Maybe 'enforce' is the wrong word, but surely we can agree there may be some kind of best practices?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 5:53PM
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Maybe 'enforce' is the wrong word, but surely we can agree there may be some kind of best practices?
The only "best" practice is to lay out your board in whatever way is easiest for you to keep track of, make sure no cards in play are hidden, and be flexible enough to let an opponent look at your cards (especially if they ask instead of just getting grabby).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 6:44PM
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Ah right, every issue on the internet is a hornet's nest. Sorry I forgot where I was for a minute.
Some board layouts are easier to keep track of than others. I would only arrange all my permanents in, say, an expanding spiral around my library in an attempt to deliberately confuse everything. And yes, because you will say it, some layouts are easier to keep track of for some people than others are for other people. Preferences exist, let's move on. Look at it from the perspective of a new player. Brand new, never played. This is a person who has enough going through their mind learning all the rules, steps, phases, in addition to keeping track of cards. It's more helpful to have some kind of standardized optimal board layout to aid interaction and minimize potential issues than it is to tell them "just keep track of it" or something. I was trying to start a discussion on what that might be.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 6:54PM
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Yeah, Minus, OCD much? Just kidding- actually my board layout is pretty much identical to the one you hypothesized as standard. I didn't even consciously consider my library location- it just "feels right" for me.
And, as long as you're respectful of your opponent's needs and requests, that's probably the best layout for anyone: whatever feels right for them.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 8:41PM
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So, while watching Magic on Twitch.tv today I stumbled accross a magic match that was a bit odd:
This led me to wonder why people play this way and a place for people to share odd stories about the stuff. I'm interested to hear why.
Because they're freaks. The guy with his stuff turned upside down, I'd just be like, "Dude your stuff is upside down. What's that supposed to mean? Like I'm a ******* moron or something? I need you to turn your cards toward me because I'm a ******* moron who doesn't know what the cards are? Oh I see, you're the smart one here huh? Mr. Smarty McBrain over here huh? Hey everyone come check out the guy with the big brain over here! He's so smart he goes ahead and turns his cards upside down so his backwards-dumb-***-****-of-a-moron opponent can read them and understand them a little better!" Then I'd throw the table over.
The only time I turn my card facing the opponent is if they gain control of my card. Then I turn it and say, "Now we know that you control it" because prior to this Chumlee is reaching his pizza stained fingers at my Elspeth with a goofy smile on his pizza soaked chin like he thinks he's just going to grap hold my Elspeth and that's when I say (from under my hooded cloak- I wear a hooded cloak) "You reach that chubby hand any nearer my Elspeth and you'll be drawing back a bloody nub. And God help you if you get blood on my cards. Jesus Christ himself can walk through that door he ain't going to help you if you get blood on my cards."
As for the "put the lands in front of the other permanents" freaks, they're still living in the past. They're like the Flat Earth Society of MTG. Plus they make me feel like they're up to something. Something sinister. Like they're trying to hide something from me. "here let me put my lands up front so it'll be more difficult for you to notice..." Hello? You're going to be tapping your lands way more consistently than anything else- just put them closer to you and it'll be easier for everyone. But oh no, we can't do that. Got to go with the way-back machine. These people still use faxes and VHS machines, and drive around with 8-track cassette players in their VW Rabbits. Besides overturning the table there's only one thing we can do. Wait for them to die off.
I love this post, this is sort of how I feel about this topic(maybe less vitriolic).
lol just so we're clear I don't really get angry or threaten people or overturn tables or any of that. Not since the restraining orders were issued.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 9:01PM
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The only "best" practice is to lay out your board in whatever way is easiest for you to keep track of, make sure no cards in play are hidden, and be flexible enough to let an opponent look at your cards (especially if they ask instead of just getting grabby).
Best practices don't have to be especially complex. I think Minus is going a bit overboard in his description. Despite that, there should be a few basic guidelines where we can say 'If you arrange your board in a manner that contradicts these rules, you have done something wrong'
To that end, I'd put forth these two 'Best Practices':
- The location of your graveyard should be such that it cannot be reasonably confused with cards in play.
- Your lands should be placed in a manner that allows your opponent to easily see how many lands you have untapped and which (if any) lands with non-mana abilities you control.
Those are the two that I see experienced players violate the most often. There are others like 'Your permanents should be on the table' that I thought were a bit too obvious.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:45AM
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I think the library opposite the dominant arm thing is a bit unnecessary. Even though I'm right handed and I play with my library to my left it's for two different reasons. I draw with my left hand and I keep a pad and paper for life totals on my right, to adjust with my right hand. If I drew with my right, I would rather have my library to my right, next to my pad somewhere, to save me reaching across the battlefield every time I drew a card.
Oh, and exiled cards should be kept separately from the graveyard. I see people just turn the card sideways in their graveyard when it's exiled, which to me makes it too easy to get knocked and then confused with the graveyard again.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 7:23PM
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Some board layouts are easier to keep track of than others.
The problem with this idea is that it's only partially correct. This is what it looks like when you complete the thought:
"Some board layouts are easier to keep track of than others for certain people."
Not everybody has an easier time keeping track of the same layout. There is no single layout that is optimized for every single person, and there is no way to make such a layout.
Etiamnunc sto, etiamsi caelum ruat.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 7:35PM
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I completed the thought two sentences later.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 7:43PM
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Yes, and then proceeded to say, "let's move on from that idea and create a completely optimized layout for everyone to use."
Etiamnunc sto, etiamsi caelum ruat.
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