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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 11:19AM #1
Kyoril
Date Joined: Nov 9, 2012
Posts: 69
Hello, again. I recently got some cards that inspired me to make a Vampires deck. So, here's my attempt at it:

Total(60 x )
Land(24 x )
4 x Dragonskull Summit
4 x Rakdos Guildgate
10 x Swamp
6 x Mountain

Creatures(28 x )
4 x Vampire Lacerator
4 x Falkenrath Exterminator
4 x Rakish Heir
4 x Captivating Vampire
4 x Stromkirk Captain
4 x Vampire Nighthawk
4 x Bloodline Keeper

Other Spells(8 x )
4 x Terminate
4 x Dreadbore


Curve:
1:cccc ssss
2:cccc ssss ssss
3:cccc cccc cccc cccc
4:cccc cccc

Lord of Lineage for those who need it.

I'd like to keep this deck as cheap as possible, and so would like to get rid of Blood Crypt and Vampire Nocturnus since those add about $80 to the total price of this so far. I would also like to keep this standard-legal, just in case I decide to take it anywhere, and these cards are the easiest for me to get a hold of.

Just in case anyone wants to help with price, the store I go to sells commons for 25 cents, uncommons for $1, and rares for $1-$2, unless its a valuable card, at which point it'll be more expensive.

Any help is appreciated.
If anyone is willing to give feedback on either decks or cards I've made, please pm me or post in the thread (should it exist). It would be much appreciated.

"Decks" Show

"WUB Myr - Casual" Show
"U Illusions - Casual" Show
"BR Vampires - Casual" Show
"BR Burn - Casual" Show
"WG Tokens - Casual" Show
"W Exalted Lifelink - Standard" Show
"BG Sacrifice - Standard" Show
"WB Orzhov Extort - Standard" Show

Total(60 x )
Land(24 x )
4 x Godless Shrine
4 x Isolated Chapel
8 x Plains
8 x Swamp

Creatures(27 x )
4 x Dutiful Thrull
4 x Thrull Parasite
4 x High Priest of Penance
2 x Basilica Screecher
3 x Basilica Guards
3 x Kingpin's Pet
4 x Crypt Ghast
4 x Guardian of the Gateless

Other Spells(11 x )
3 x Blind Obedience
4 x Murder
2 x Orzhov Charm

Sideboard(15 x )
4 x Knight of Obligation
1 x Blind Obedience
3 x One Thousand Lashes
3 x Necrobite
2 x Orzhov Charm
2 x Immortal Servitude

This is the deck I'm most interested in improving at the moment. I'd like to keep it cheaper. Dual lands are in there as a goal to work to, so they don't count really. Other than that, just keep it standard legal.







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Parasitic Horror
Creature - Horror (R)
As an additional cost to Parasitic Horror, pay X life.
Parasitic Horror enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters. If Parasitic Horror entered the battlefield with 5 or more +1/+1 counters, it has lifelink.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may double the number of +1/+1 counters on Parasitic Horror. If you do, you lose life equal to its power.
0/0

Very much unsure of the CMC for this one, and I am also under the impression that it sucks. Hard.

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Double Agent
Creature - Human Rogue (U)
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you are not Double Agent's owner, discard a card and Double Agent's owner draws a card.
Infiltrate 2 (Pay . Double Agent enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)
Who is he really working for?
2/1

Unsure of CMC and wording, as well as rarity.


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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 4:18AM #2
ZyreKEB
Date Joined: Jun 27, 2012
Posts: 13
Step 1; Remove Typhoid Rats Knight of Infamy , and  Village Cannibals - These are not vampires. I would suggest Vampire Lacerator , Pulse Tracker , Stromkirk Noble , Vampire Interloper Falkenrath Exterminator in these slots, depending on what you're going for.

Step 2; Replace  Murder with Terminate . Up Dreadbore count. Toss Disentomb . Drop Vampire Nocturnus , he's more for mono black vampires, not R/B. A good replacement is Captivating Vampire and Rakish Heir .

Step 3; If it's in your budget or have access to trading - Acquire ~2  Olivia Voldaren & ~4  Falkenrath Aristocrat .

Step 4; Profit! I understand not all of my suggestions are Standard legal, but you can find equivalents.
 

PS: I think your local store is a little over priced. Commons should never be worth more than 5c, uncommons 10c, and junk rares 25c. Generally the cards worth $1-5 are competitive cards used in Standard format, and the things worth more than $5 are chase cards that are extremely good and highly sought after.
  
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 6:00AM #3
Kyoril
Date Joined: Nov 9, 2012
Posts: 69
I had the rats because they were the only good standard black 1-drops that worked at all, and I had the humans because I used to have more that wanted to sac them.

Total(60 x )
Land(24 x )
4 x Dragonskull Summit
4 x Rakdos Guildgate
10 x Swamp
6 x Mountain

Creatures(28 x )
4 x Vampire Lacerator
4 x Falkenrath Exterminator
4 x Rakish Heir
4 x Captivating Vampire
4 x Stromkirk Captain
4 x Vampire Nighthawk
4 x Bloodline Keeper

Other Spells(8 x )
4 x Terminate
4 x Dreadbore


So I did:
-4 x Blood Crypt
-4 x Typhoid Rats
-4 x Knight of Infamy
-4 x Village Cannibals
-2 x Vampire Nocturnus
-4 x Disentomb
-4 x Murder

+2 x Dreadbore
+4 x Terminate
+4 x Captivating Vampire
+4 x Rakish Heir
+4 x Falkenrath Exterminator
+4 x Vampire Lacerator
+4 x Rakdos Guildgate


I would like to add in the Olivia Voldaren s and Falkenrath Aristocrat s, but they're already pricey, and as you said, the store I go to is kinda expensive.

Also, would you mind checking if my lands will be enough? I'm never really sure...

I know the store is pretty expensive, but I got the impression that they aren't doing to great, and they're the only store I really have access to... I guess I'll just have to deal.
If anyone is willing to give feedback on either decks or cards I've made, please pm me or post in the thread (should it exist). It would be much appreciated.

"Decks" Show

"WUB Myr - Casual" Show
"U Illusions - Casual" Show
"BR Vampires - Casual" Show
"BR Burn - Casual" Show
"WG Tokens - Casual" Show
"W Exalted Lifelink - Standard" Show
"BG Sacrifice - Standard" Show
"WB Orzhov Extort - Standard" Show

Total(60 x )
Land(24 x )
4 x Godless Shrine
4 x Isolated Chapel
8 x Plains
8 x Swamp

Creatures(27 x )
4 x Dutiful Thrull
4 x Thrull Parasite
4 x High Priest of Penance
2 x Basilica Screecher
3 x Basilica Guards
3 x Kingpin's Pet
4 x Crypt Ghast
4 x Guardian of the Gateless

Other Spells(11 x )
3 x Blind Obedience
4 x Murder
2 x Orzhov Charm

Sideboard(15 x )
4 x Knight of Obligation
1 x Blind Obedience
3 x One Thousand Lashes
3 x Necrobite
2 x Orzhov Charm
2 x Immortal Servitude

This is the deck I'm most interested in improving at the moment. I'd like to keep it cheaper. Dual lands are in there as a goal to work to, so they don't count really. Other than that, just keep it standard legal.







"Cards & Mechanics" Show

"Parasitic Horror" Show

Parasitic Horror
Creature - Horror (R)
As an additional cost to Parasitic Horror, pay X life.
Parasitic Horror enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters. If Parasitic Horror entered the battlefield with 5 or more +1/+1 counters, it has lifelink.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may double the number of +1/+1 counters on Parasitic Horror. If you do, you lose life equal to its power.
0/0

Very much unsure of the CMC for this one, and I am also under the impression that it sucks. Hard.

"Double Agent" Show

Double Agent
Creature - Human Rogue (U)
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you are not Double Agent's owner, discard a card and Double Agent's owner draws a card.
Infiltrate 2 (Pay . Double Agent enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)
Who is he really working for?
2/1

Unsure of CMC and wording, as well as rarity.


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Infiltrate X (Pay X. CARDNAME enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 7:11AM #4
Sacrifice
Date Joined: Aug 6, 2006
Posts: 1,339
So are you or are you not trying to stay Standard legal? Terminate , Vampire Lacerator , and Captivating Vampire are all not Standard legal.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 7:28AM #5
Kyoril
Date Joined: Nov 9, 2012
Posts: 69
I know. Those are in there until I find standard replacements.

I think I might need to put back Murder , and use Stromkirk Noble , and maybe Dark Impostor , but I'm not entirely sure. Any Sugestions?
If anyone is willing to give feedback on either decks or cards I've made, please pm me or post in the thread (should it exist). It would be much appreciated.

"Decks" Show

"WUB Myr - Casual" Show
"U Illusions - Casual" Show
"BR Vampires - Casual" Show
"BR Burn - Casual" Show
"WG Tokens - Casual" Show
"W Exalted Lifelink - Standard" Show
"BG Sacrifice - Standard" Show
"WB Orzhov Extort - Standard" Show

Total(60 x )
Land(24 x )
4 x Godless Shrine
4 x Isolated Chapel
8 x Plains
8 x Swamp

Creatures(27 x )
4 x Dutiful Thrull
4 x Thrull Parasite
4 x High Priest of Penance
2 x Basilica Screecher
3 x Basilica Guards
3 x Kingpin's Pet
4 x Crypt Ghast
4 x Guardian of the Gateless

Other Spells(11 x )
3 x Blind Obedience
4 x Murder
2 x Orzhov Charm

Sideboard(15 x )
4 x Knight of Obligation
1 x Blind Obedience
3 x One Thousand Lashes
3 x Necrobite
2 x Orzhov Charm
2 x Immortal Servitude

This is the deck I'm most interested in improving at the moment. I'd like to keep it cheaper. Dual lands are in there as a goal to work to, so they don't count really. Other than that, just keep it standard legal.







"Cards & Mechanics" Show

"Parasitic Horror" Show

Parasitic Horror
Creature - Horror (R)
As an additional cost to Parasitic Horror, pay X life.
Parasitic Horror enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters. If Parasitic Horror entered the battlefield with 5 or more +1/+1 counters, it has lifelink.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may double the number of +1/+1 counters on Parasitic Horror. If you do, you lose life equal to its power.
0/0

Very much unsure of the CMC for this one, and I am also under the impression that it sucks. Hard.

"Double Agent" Show

Double Agent
Creature - Human Rogue (U)
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you are not Double Agent's owner, discard a card and Double Agent's owner draws a card.
Infiltrate 2 (Pay . Double Agent enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)
Who is he really working for?
2/1

Unsure of CMC and wording, as well as rarity.


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Infiltrate X (Pay X. CARDNAME enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 9:57AM #6
Sacrifice
Date Joined: Aug 6, 2006
Posts: 1,339
Stromkirk Noble is a definate. Vampires aren't very strong in Standard right now, and without the Noble, almost unplayable, as they are the only Standard-legal 1-drop vamp on the scene. And as such, kinda pricey, $-wise.

Dark Imposter is a fun card, but in a Standard environment, too slow. Easy to get in play, but it's activation cost is crazy. Not played in Standard much.

Blood Artist seems to be an auto-include in Standard vamps. Maybe Vampire Interloper if you wanna stick to pure aggro.

You might get better ideas if you put your deck in the Standard forum. But probably just a bunch of people telling you that vamps suck in Standard, and to go Zombies instead. Strictly speaking, the zombies are better, but that doesn't mean the vamps completely suck. I did just fine with a vampire deck a few weeks ago at a rather competitive FNM, although I can see the downfalls, and why ppl prefer zombies.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 10:13AM #7
Kyoril
Date Joined: Nov 9, 2012
Posts: 69
I'm liking Vampire Interloper over Blood Artist , but I'm not really sure.

I had mostly included Dark Imposter because its a 2/2 for 3 which has  late game purpose, though I suppose that since I do have a lot of ways to boost my creatures that isn't all that important.

I know that Vampires don't really have a strong Standard presence now, but I like them better than Zombies, and I'm not trying to be really competitive now anyways. I mostly wanted this one to be Standard-Legal so that I'd have a deck that I could play if I ever went anywhere that required it. Thanks for the suggestions though. I'll consider putting it into the Standard forum.
If anyone is willing to give feedback on either decks or cards I've made, please pm me or post in the thread (should it exist). It would be much appreciated.

"Decks" Show

"WUB Myr - Casual" Show
"U Illusions - Casual" Show
"BR Vampires - Casual" Show
"BR Burn - Casual" Show
"WG Tokens - Casual" Show
"W Exalted Lifelink - Standard" Show
"BG Sacrifice - Standard" Show
"WB Orzhov Extort - Standard" Show

Total(60 x )
Land(24 x )
4 x Godless Shrine
4 x Isolated Chapel
8 x Plains
8 x Swamp

Creatures(27 x )
4 x Dutiful Thrull
4 x Thrull Parasite
4 x High Priest of Penance
2 x Basilica Screecher
3 x Basilica Guards
3 x Kingpin's Pet
4 x Crypt Ghast
4 x Guardian of the Gateless

Other Spells(11 x )
3 x Blind Obedience
4 x Murder
2 x Orzhov Charm

Sideboard(15 x )
4 x Knight of Obligation
1 x Blind Obedience
3 x One Thousand Lashes
3 x Necrobite
2 x Orzhov Charm
2 x Immortal Servitude

This is the deck I'm most interested in improving at the moment. I'd like to keep it cheaper. Dual lands are in there as a goal to work to, so they don't count really. Other than that, just keep it standard legal.







"Cards & Mechanics" Show

"Parasitic Horror" Show

Parasitic Horror
Creature - Horror (R)
As an additional cost to Parasitic Horror, pay X life.
Parasitic Horror enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters. If Parasitic Horror entered the battlefield with 5 or more +1/+1 counters, it has lifelink.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may double the number of +1/+1 counters on Parasitic Horror. If you do, you lose life equal to its power.
0/0

Very much unsure of the CMC for this one, and I am also under the impression that it sucks. Hard.

"Double Agent" Show

Double Agent
Creature - Human Rogue (U)
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you are not Double Agent's owner, discard a card and Double Agent's owner draws a card.
Infiltrate 2 (Pay . Double Agent enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)
Who is he really working for?
2/1

Unsure of CMC and wording, as well as rarity.


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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 11:11AM #8
Sacrifice
Date Joined: Aug 6, 2006
Posts: 1,339
Oh, I hope you didn't think I was trying to talk you out of playing the vamps. I'm VERY much for playing what you WANT and making it work. That's why I said what I said about the FNM thing. I saw top deck archtypes all night, and yet I made top 4 with the vamps that the community will tell you sucks. What's the point in playing a game if you can't play what you really WANT?

Although, I will add this: If I were you, I'd think about some other Standard legal deck to cart around for one reason alone: You're missing out on some great fun by limiting vamps to Standard format. Tongue Out
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 5:30PM #9
Kyoril
Date Joined: Nov 9, 2012
Posts: 69
No worries. I was just stating my reasons for playing Vamps and making it Standard. However, you've, perhaps inadvertantly, changed my mind. More fun is well... more fun, so I'll go do some research on Standardy stuff, and make this one just a casual deck to have fun with. In the meantime, any suggestions for a non-standard vamps deck?

Should I re-add the Terminate , Captivating Vampire , and Vampire Lacerator ?

Looking at the deck again, I'm kind of torn between the Stromkirk Noble and Vampire Lacerator ...
If anyone is willing to give feedback on either decks or cards I've made, please pm me or post in the thread (should it exist). It would be much appreciated.

"Decks" Show

"WUB Myr - Casual" Show
"U Illusions - Casual" Show
"BR Vampires - Casual" Show
"BR Burn - Casual" Show
"WG Tokens - Casual" Show
"W Exalted Lifelink - Standard" Show
"BG Sacrifice - Standard" Show
"WB Orzhov Extort - Standard" Show

Total(60 x )
Land(24 x )
4 x Godless Shrine
4 x Isolated Chapel
8 x Plains
8 x Swamp

Creatures(27 x )
4 x Dutiful Thrull
4 x Thrull Parasite
4 x High Priest of Penance
2 x Basilica Screecher
3 x Basilica Guards
3 x Kingpin's Pet
4 x Crypt Ghast
4 x Guardian of the Gateless

Other Spells(11 x )
3 x Blind Obedience
4 x Murder
2 x Orzhov Charm

Sideboard(15 x )
4 x Knight of Obligation
1 x Blind Obedience
3 x One Thousand Lashes
3 x Necrobite
2 x Orzhov Charm
2 x Immortal Servitude

This is the deck I'm most interested in improving at the moment. I'd like to keep it cheaper. Dual lands are in there as a goal to work to, so they don't count really. Other than that, just keep it standard legal.







"Cards & Mechanics" Show

"Parasitic Horror" Show

Parasitic Horror
Creature - Horror (R)
As an additional cost to Parasitic Horror, pay X life.
Parasitic Horror enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters. If Parasitic Horror entered the battlefield with 5 or more +1/+1 counters, it has lifelink.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may double the number of +1/+1 counters on Parasitic Horror. If you do, you lose life equal to its power.
0/0

Very much unsure of the CMC for this one, and I am also under the impression that it sucks. Hard.

"Double Agent" Show

Double Agent
Creature - Human Rogue (U)
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you are not Double Agent's owner, discard a card and Double Agent's owner draws a card.
Infiltrate 2 (Pay . Double Agent enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)
Who is he really working for?
2/1

Unsure of CMC and wording, as well as rarity.


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Infiltrate X (Pay X. CARDNAME enters the battlefield under target opponent's control.)

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 9:30PM #10
ZyreKEB
Date Joined: Jun 27, 2012
Posts: 13
To give you an idea I have 2 vampire decks, one is Red with black splash, the other mono black.

Casual Modern Red/Black Vampires (Focus on +1/+1 counters, removing blockers and having vampires grow bigger)
12x Mountain
4x Graven Cairns  
4x Dragonskull Summit
4x Blood Crypt
4x Blade of the Bloodchief
4x Stromkirk Noble
4x Falkenrath Exterminator
4x Terminate
4x Dreadbore
4x Rakish Heir
4x Stromkirk Captain
2x Ion Storm
4x Falkenrath Aristocrat
2x  Olivia Voldaren

Casual Modern Mono Black Vampires (Aggro + Evasion) Still tweaking this one.
22x Swamp
4x Vampire Lacerator
4x Guul Draz Vampire
4x Guul Draz Assassin
4x Vampire Interloper
4x Feast of Blood
4x Go for the Throat
4x Captivating Vampire
4x Vampire Nighthawk
4x  Bloodline Keeper         
2x  Vampire Nocturnus

I've also considered the Dark Ritual option, and swapping out some of this list with; Kalastria Highborn , Gatekeeper of Malakir , Malakir Bloodwitch . Cavern of Souls is also a good fit in either deck for land.
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