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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 5:44PM #31
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but staying power means that lifegain isnt nearly the same problem. heroes' reunion is bad news for burn spells, healing for more than what 2 spells can deal in damage. for MGA however it "just" means that it will take another turn to kill opponent, if that.
lifegain and playershroud are relatively rare in mainboard but much less so in sideboard, factor those in and MGA will have a better chance at winning g2 than RDW - although RDW likely has a slight advantage G1.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 6:04PM #32
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Jan 5, 2013 -- 4:17AM, rawsugar wrote:

if there has ever been a competitive deck built around powering out spells in the 6-8 cmc range ill concede my point but i doubt it. I would expect the cruel ultimatum deck to be part of a control deck variant?

discussions on the web have that effect, at least on me. they draw you in^^ 




First ever major tournament I won was with a ramp green phatty deck into force of nature . I remember it being very hard to trade for one of the birds of paradise I needed.

More recently then that would be things like tooth and nail decks which won tournaments and dragonstorm decks which one tournaments.

There have also been many titan decks that won tournaments and Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle is so strong it got scapeshift banned in modern.

So yeah basically your above statement is a little silly.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 6:16PM #33
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Jan 5, 2013 -- 5:44PM, rawsugar wrote:

but staying power means that lifegain isnt nearly the same problem. heroes' reunion is bad news for burn spells, healing for more than what 2 spells can deal in damage. for MGA however it "just" means that it will take another turn to kill opponent, if that.
lifegain and playershroud are relatively rare in mainboard but much less so in sideboard, factor those in and MGA will have a better chance at winning g2 than RDW - although RDW likely has a slight advantage G1.



this logic is flawed.  You're assuming that a deck that runs lifegain would have no defense against the creatures making it lose life.  Sure that lifegain spell undoes 2 Lightning Bolt s' but at least those bolts didn't have to worry about getting blocked, because you can be sure a G/W deck with lifegain will be running defensive creatures that are very unfriendly to any type of aggro whether it's MGA or RDW.  As for g1 vs g2, RDW gets a sideboard too, and can side in some nasty anti lifegain spells like Neverending Torment and sulfuric vortex to manage those threats.

besides, what did I JUST say about Stigma Lasher ? 

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 6:36PM #34
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^^assumes it will resolve and connect.

Not a safe assumption in the slightest. Having to rely on a creature for that effect is...not very reliable.

I don't see why you think rawsugar's logic is flawed tho. His analysis is pretty much spot on. RDW does have a very strong G1. But 2/3 it does not get as strong of sb choices as other decks, because it can't deviate from it's strategy of kill kill kill! Without sacrificing too much speed.

Vortex is a good sb card, except that it's murderous in the 3 slot where you wanna be casting those hasty dudes and spells.

It goes back to g2/3 choices. RDW just aren't that strong vs other decks.

RDW does get hellrider for evasion, but then MGA gets champion of lambholt .

It does all come down to preference I suppose.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 7:02PM #35
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Jan 5, 2013 -- 6:36PM, jnp5021 wrote:

It does all come down to preference I suppose.



it does.

considering I don't play with sideboards I'm not an authority on the subject so I could be wrong there.  The argument still stands, though, that RDW has plenty of options when it coems to life gain

and I definitely think its safer to assume a burn spell will hit an opponent than a creature.  Counterspells and damage prevention are far less common than blockers.

I think I'm gonna stop talking now though because A: I'm feeling ganged up on for basically just saying a deck was like RDW and B: we've officially threadjacked the OP's thread about a simple green fatty deck.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 7:30PM #36
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Lol we have. Sorry u feel Ganged up on. Just expressing different styles of play. Always good for learning
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 7:43PM #37
El_Pared
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Jan 5, 2013 -- 7:30PM, jnp5021 wrote:

Lol we have. Sorry u feel Ganged up on. Just expressing different styles of play. Always good for learning



OK I promise this is the last one

I only felt ganged up on because there were 2 people on the opposite side of the debate from me.  Otherwise it was a fun and, thankfully very civil  I've seen internet debates get way more out of hand than this lol.  Glad there's no bad blood or anything

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 8:19PM #38
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^^ you are a poopy head :D
There! Burned!!! Oooooo!!!!
Haha no I jest...lol
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