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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 1:41PM
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Extort cards aren't the only cards that bring up this issue: Charmed Pendant  can go in any EDH deck. Eye of Ramos  can only go in blue EDH decks. And cyphern mentioned the functional change brought by "fear".
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 2:22PM
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Those two are very different than Extort, and very easily answered. Charmed Pendant's symbols are found in reminder text [CR 207.2a], which has "no game function" [CR 207.2]. The mana symbol  appears twice in Eye of Ramos's text, so I have no idea why it was brought up.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 2:26PM
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The EDH rules committee has said it works, for now.
They may change the color identity rules at the next update.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 2:34PM
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The EDH rules committee has said it works, for now.
I don't doubt you, but do you have a link for that?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 2:44PM
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Nothing says "Whenever a player {keyword ability}s, ..." or "If a player were to {keyword ability}, he ... instead."
Astral Slide 
Rules Advisor Please autocard: [c ]Disenchant[/c ] = Disenchant  .
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 2:58PM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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903.4b Reminder text is ignored when determining a card’s color identity. See rule 207.2.
Yes, but "Extort" can't be ignored. At this moment, Keyword Abilities (as opposed to Keyword Actions) are fully replaceable with the text they are defined to "mean"*, so I forsee a rule clarifying that the text of keyword abilities counts towards the card's text for EDH's color identity. We'll have to wait and see to be sure, though.
* — Nothing says "Whenever a player {keyword ability}s, ..." or "If a player were to {keyword ability}, he ... instead."
This isn't right. If something has a keyword ability in its rules text, that means it has that keyword ability. It doesn't instead or also have the spelled-out equivalent.
In several cases, the keyword isn't just a replacement for a spelled-out ability. First strike and haste, for example, don't have a spelled-out equivalent.
For other keywords, there is a text that the keyword "means", but there are also additional rules to modify the behavior. For example, miracle has a rule saying how long the card stays revealed.
And there are many cases where having a specific keyword matters. Chub Toad  's ability is exactly identical to bushido, but it won't get a boost from Takeno, Samurai General  , even if it's somehow a Samurai. And if those Samurai instead had their spelled-out equivalent to bushido, they wouldn't get the bonus, either.
Also, Saproling Infestation  does say "Whenever a player kicks a spell" (which only works when you cast a spell with its additional cost represented by the kicker keyword ability). There are also the terms devoured  , prowl cost  , and equip abilities  . None of those would make sense if the cards had the spelled-out equivalents rather than the actual keywords.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 3:19PM
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Those two are very different than Extort, and very easily answered.
Charmed Pendant's symbols are found in reminder text [CR 207.2a], which has "no game function" [CR 207.2].
That same logic applies to extort.
The mana symbol appears twice in Eye of Ramos's text, so I have no idea why it was brought up.
Eye of Ramos was printed with the word "blue" in its text. It was errata'd to the mana symbol. It's another example to display an oddity that already exists with the color identity rules.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 4:19PM
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The EDH rules committee has said it works, for now.
I don't doubt you, but do you have a link for that?
forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t...
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 4:51PM
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In several cases, the keyword isn't just a replacement for a spelled-out ability. First strike and haste, for example, don't have a spelled-out equivalent.
So? That doesn't contradict what I said.
For other keywords, there is a text that the keyword "means", but there are also additional rules to modify the behavior. For example, miracle has a rule saying how long the card stays revealed.
muh. Unimpressed.
And there are many cases where having a specific keyword matters. Chub Toad 's ability is exactly identical to bushido, but it won't get a boost from Takeno, Samurai General
Ok, now you've found something that contradicts what I said. Thanks, I've been hunting for one.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 4:53PM
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Those two are very different than Extort, and very easily answered.
Charmed Pendant's symbols are found in reminder text [CR 207.2a], which has "no game function" [CR 207.2].
That same logic applies to extort.
That's completely false. It's even an outright lie, I dare say. Both Extort and the rules for Extort have a game function, and you know it.
The mana symbol appears twice in Eye of Ramos's text, so I have no idea why it was brought up.
Eye of Ramos was printed with the word "blue" in its text. It was errata'd to the mana symbol. It's another example to display an oddity that already exists with the color identity rules.
No, it's not. Identity looks at the card's text, not the text printed on the card. In fact, nothing in MTG looks at the text printed on the card. Nothing exceptional about Eye of Ramos.
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