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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 3:45AM
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can this go into a mono-black commander deck? 
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 3:55AM
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Mar 12, 2011
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Yes.
903.4. The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card’s mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).
903.4b Reminder text is ignored when determining a card’s color identity. See rule 207.2.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 5:20AM
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Mar 22, 2009
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That makes no sense to me.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]
That makes no sense to me.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
~ Tim
Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise  in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch  . YAY COLOR IDENTITY 
Is algebra really that difficult?
Survey says yes.
You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 5:26AM
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the color identity rule doesn't make sense on many levels
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 5:26AM
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Mar 12, 2011
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That's how the rules are currently. Maybe they'll change them with the release of Gatecrash, as I don't know of any other keyword ability that has a colored symbol.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 10:36AM
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So we are saying that even though the rules text of the keyword ability contains a mana symbol, and the card has that ability, the card does not have the rules text of that ability?
That seems like trying to say that the equip ability doesn't target because the text on the card doesn't say it does.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 10:41AM
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So we are saying that even though the rules text of the keyword ability contains a mana symbol, and the card has that ability, the card does not have the rules text of that ability?
Yes, in much the same way that Mind Bend  can't change what Fear  does. Keywords can and do remove text from a card.
That seems like trying to say that the equip ability doesn't target because the text on the card doesn't say it does.
The ability still targets, but the card doesn't have the word "target" in its rules text.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 12:34PM
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903.4b Reminder text is ignored when determining a card’s color identity. See rule 207.2.
Yes, but "Extort" can't be ignored. At this moment, Keyword Abilities (as opposed to Keyword Actions) are fully replaceable with the text they are defined to "mean"*, so I forsee a rule clarifying that the text of keyword abilities counts towards the card's text for EDH's color identity. We'll have to wait and see to be sure, though.
* — Nothing says "Whenever a player {keyword ability}s, ..." or "If a player were to {keyword ability}, he ... instead."
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 1:16PM
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How could this be true?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 1:20PM
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Nov 16, 2007
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How could what be true?
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