If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
Funny story: InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?" Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb." Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.
My DM on Battleminds:
no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.
Hi guys! So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic. I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked. Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon. Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in. Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play. I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's. However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks. I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real. I want to begin playing it as a regular. My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck? Or are there special rules? Are some cards forbidden or restricted? Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol.
I have the same problem with women.
Is this my new ego sig? Yes it is, other BarryShow
And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.
See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic , giving you time to set up your silly combo . Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills
Seriously, that was amazing. I laughed my *ss off. Made my day, and I just woke up.
ArtVenn You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.
You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster...
Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil.
And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.
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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?
I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right?
Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).
HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players.
And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it.
He/It got me with Light of Sanction , which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).
Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS. I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about: creatures.
Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad , things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed .
You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.
903.4b Reminder text is ignored when determining a card’s color identity. See rule 207.2.
Yes, but "Extort" can't be ignored. At this moment, Keyword Abilities (as opposed to Keyword Actions) are fully replaceable with the text they are defined to "mean"*, so I forsee a rule clarifying that the text of keyword abilities counts towards the card's text for EDH's color identity. We'll have to wait and see to be sure, though.
* — Nothing says "Whenever a player {keyword ability}s, ..." or "If a player were to {keyword ability}, he ... instead."
This isn't right. If something has a keyword ability in its rules text, that means it has that keyword ability. It doesn't instead or also have the spelled-out equivalent.
In several cases, the keyword isn't just a replacement for a spelled-out ability. First strike and haste, for example, don't have a spelled-out equivalent.
For other keywords, there is a text that the keyword "means", but there are also additional rules to modify the behavior. For example, miracle has a rule saying how long the card stays revealed.
And there are many cases where having a specific keyword matters. Chub Toad 's ability is exactly identical to bushido, but it won't get a boost from Takeno, Samurai General , even if it's somehow a Samurai. And if those Samurai instead had their spelled-out equivalent to bushido, they wouldn't get the bonus, either.
Also, Saproling Infestation does say "Whenever a player kicks a spell" (which only works when you cast a spell with its additional cost represented by the kicker keyword ability). There are also the terms devoured , prowl cost , and equip abilities . None of those would make sense if the cards had the spelled-out equivalents rather than the actual keywords.
You're splitting hairs. Those additional abilities refer to actions taken, or triggers, not to keywords. They don't mention keywords 'cause they don't need to. The term "kicked," however, is clarified in as rule, and reads as a simplification of "whenever a players pays the kicker cost(s) of a spell," which is a perfectly legitimate and effective way to write the ability. Indeed, action words like "kicked" and such are designed for the mere purpose of shortening triggers, but they "mean" the full text as written in the Rules.
First strike, and trample, and haste, "mean" what their reminder text says. The reason reminder text doesn't qualify for identity just so happens to be for cards that have "examples" written in them. Extort is the first keyword that has a mana-color specific trigger, and this should force a rules clarification on what a keyword ACTUALLY means.
702.1. Most abilities describe exactly what they do in the card’s rules text. Some, though, are very common or would require too much space to define on the card. In these cases, the object lists only the name of the ability as a “keyword”; sometimes reminder text summarizes the game rule.
e.g.,
702.8a Flash is a static ability that functions in any zone from which you could play the card it’s on. “Flash” means “You may play this card any time you could cast an instant.”
If Flash had a color word in it, or a color mana symbol, it would be read as though the word is shorthand for the full ability, and the full ability would be referred to for specificity. This is precisely the situation that occurs with Progenitus 's "Protection from everything":
702.15i “Protection from everything” is a variant of the protection ability. A permanent with protection from everything has protection from each object regardless of that object’s characteristic values. Such a permanent can’t be targeted by spells or abilities, enchanted by Auras, equipped by Equipment, fortified by Fortifications, or blocked by creatures, and all damage that would be dealt to it is prevented.
A double-nested example, to be sure, as "Protection" is a keyword that refers to a restriction of a subset of actions that cannot be used, while "from everything" doesn't qualify for the keyword's typical structure. "Protection from everything" cannot be broken down to mean any specific quality, it means "[CARDNAME] can’t be targeted by spells or abilities, enchanted by Auras, equipped by Equipment, fortified by Fortifications, or blocked by creatures, and all damage that would be dealt to it is prevented."
Edit:
Birds of Paradise and Command Tower both work in monogreen decks because "any color of mana" doesn't run afoul of the CI rules, which clarifies "The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card’s mana cost or rules text." The rules text, which ultimately points back to the document in hand, doesn't see a colored mana symbol or color word.
"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count."
"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
Let me adjust my argument a tad (though I take the Mind Bend /Fear issue directly). This wording for extort wouldn't normally seem permittable, largely due to the unbroken rule of not placing costs in reminder text not in their rules texts.
There is no effective difference between
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay {cost}. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
and
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay . If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
Except in the former, color identity restricts it; in the latter, no such case. This may have derived from MaRo's public desire for hybrid to be playble in any deck than can cast the card, regardless of its colors. Indeed, it seems to be a dodge around the CI rules WotC accepted when they started supporting the rules for EDH as "Commander," and MaRo, lead designer for Gatecrash during the time when the Orzhov keyword was developed, seems to have gotten his way.
"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count."
"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
Its not that the Hierarch being disallowed that doesnt make sense, what makes no sense is that BoP is allowed when the Hierarch isnt (even though it may as well say ": add , , , or to your mana pool").
Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
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