I never get why some players can't understand that some people just like to play off the wall decks for fun sometimes. I don't think anyone has any belief that mill will be the next top deck. However it might be fun to play with the Dimir stuff, and that's why a lot of people play. For fun. It gets boring playing nothing but bant control/midrange or B/R Zombie aggro for eternity.
Personally, I'm going to give it a try as a fun alternate deck to play with friends. I don't expect it to replace my main deck, but I do think it will be fun.
Thing is, we're discussing how the card is good, not how the card is fun. Sure, people can play it and it's perfectly right (up until right now, I played Synco over Dissipate just for the art), but we're talking about viability. Cramming it in your deck hoping it'll win you games isn't effective, though it may be worth it to do it for fun. Discussing the fun out of cards, however, is not the purpose of this thread for most people.
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be effective in a mill deck.
Memory Adept isn't a good card because it can make silly combos- it's a good card because it nets an extra draw every turn which is an important feature for many 5 and 6 mana spells (a 'la Staff of Nin .) There's no reason to get dumb with your Memory Adepts just because the combo potential is there- but the deck can certainly be built- just don't lean on it as your best out. Think of Jace as a personal one sided Howling Mine to get you all of the extra removal you need and now and then give you that alternate win-con.
Well, honestly, most of the time you don't even use that ability. Mill 10 each turn pretty much sets a 3-4 turn clock on an empty board.
Not really, drawing an extra card makes Jace pay for itself as a card and digs further into the deck for more removal. 5 mana mill 10 isn't exactly a good rate. So Jace defaults into it's +1 until you can secure a board position where you can establish the clock. If you play Jace and force them to mill ten with a loaded hand, you're asking to run into a losing situation. We recognize Jace 3 by his "mill 10" effect, but it's the +1 that makes him playable situations.
Managed to snag 3 of them tonight. I'm looking forward to attempting mill with Dimir regardless of how good it is. Mill 10 with Jace while Duskmantle mage or Lazav are out just seems too fun.
I never get why some players can't understand that some people just like to play off the wall decks for fun sometimes. I don't think anyone has any belief that mill will be the next top deck. However it might be fun to play with the Dimir stuff, and that's why a lot of people play. For fun. It gets boring playing nothing but bant control/midrange or B/R Zombie aggro for eternity.
Personally, I'm going to give it a try as a fun alternate deck to play with friends. I don't expect it to replace my main deck, but I do think it will be fun.
Thing is, we're discussing how the card is good, not how the card is fun. Sure, people can play it and it's perfectly right (up until right now, I played Synco over Dissipate just for the art), but we're talking about viability. Cramming it in your deck hoping it'll win you games isn't effective, though it may be worth it to do it for fun. Discussing the fun out of cards, however, is not the purpose of this thread for most people.
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be effective in a mill deck.
For the same reason Mycosynth Fiend isn't good : it's counterproductive. Also, It's completely useless without the appropriate engine and mana. You'd be better off with something that actually mills, which means that you don't have to pay eight in the same turn to deal a lot of damage, just casting the spell and getting closer to your goal.
Also, a mill deck in itself is not effective right now. Cramming in your deck Jace + him is not being effective. There just isn't the tools to make such a deck effectively in the current Standard.
Memory Adept isn't a good card because it can make silly combos- it's a good card because it nets an extra draw every turn which is an important feature for many 5 and 6 mana spells (a 'la Staff of Nin .) There's no reason to get dumb with your Memory Adepts just because the combo potential is there- but the deck can certainly be built- just don't lean on it as your best out. Think of Jace as a personal one sided Howling Mine to get you all of the extra removal you need and now and then give you that alternate win-con.
Well, honestly, most of the time you don't even use that ability. Mill 10 each turn pretty much sets a 3-4 turn clock on an empty board.
Not really, drawing an extra card makes Jace pay for itself as a card and digs further into the deck for more removal. 5 mana mill 10 isn't exactly a good rate. So Jace defaults into it's +1 until you can secure a board position where you can establish the clock. If you play Jace and force them to mill ten with a loaded hand, you're asking to run into a losing situation. We recognize Jace 3 by his "mill 10" effect, but it's the +1 that makes him playable situations.
You sweep on turn four, then play him and deal with the rest of the threats in the next three turns. That's his real use. Paying five to get a card each turn isn't worth it. Furthermore, not advancing your current board position or getting closer to the kill for five mana seems lackluster. However, casting him on an empty board against a control deck means "I hope you have a O-Ring or you're pretty much screwed".
If there's something on the board when you cast Jace, he's already dead, or you are.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back.
Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?
Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability. If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat. Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap. If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player. Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield. Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has? No freaking way. Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
1. cast frankie peanuts 2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power 3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo 4. donate them a platinum angel 5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus , then play enchanted evening . play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever) 6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated.
Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH.
-First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20.
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates.
Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block.
No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too.
Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
"I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy ." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so...
"Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use.
From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin.
183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft ) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft . Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1
Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad .
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797
Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1
Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist.
Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
I never get why some players can't understand that some people just like to play off the wall decks for fun sometimes. I don't think anyone has any belief that mill will be the next top deck. However it might be fun to play with the Dimir stuff, and that's why a lot of people play. For fun. It gets boring playing nothing but bant control/midrange or B/R Zombie aggro for eternity.
Personally, I'm going to give it a try as a fun alternate deck to play with friends. I don't expect it to replace my main deck, but I do think it will be fun.
Thing is, we're discussing how the card is good, not how the card is fun. Sure, people can play it and it's perfectly right (up until right now, I played Synco over Dissipate just for the art), but we're talking about viability. Cramming it in your deck hoping it'll win you games isn't effective, though it may be worth it to do it for fun. Discussing the fun out of cards, however, is not the purpose of this thread for most people.
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be effective in a mill deck.
For the same reason Mycosynth Fiend isn't good : it's counterproductive. Also, It's completely useless without the appropriate engine and mana. You'd be better off with something that actually mills, which means that you don't have to pay eight in the same turn to deal a lot of damage, just casting the spell and getting closer to your goal.
Also, a mill deck in itself is not effective right now. Cramming in your deck Jace + him is not being effective. There just isn't the tools to make such a deck effectively in the current Standard.
Memory Adept isn't a good card because it can make silly combos- it's a good card because it nets an extra draw every turn which is an important feature for many 5 and 6 mana spells (a 'la Staff of Nin .) There's no reason to get dumb with your Memory Adepts just because the combo potential is there- but the deck can certainly be built- just don't lean on it as your best out. Think of Jace as a personal one sided Howling Mine to get you all of the extra removal you need and now and then give you that alternate win-con.
Well, honestly, most of the time you don't even use that ability. Mill 10 each turn pretty much sets a 3-4 turn clock on an empty board.
Not really, drawing an extra card makes Jace pay for itself as a card and digs further into the deck for more removal. 5 mana mill 10 isn't exactly a good rate. So Jace defaults into it's +1 until you can secure a board position where you can establish the clock. If you play Jace and force them to mill ten with a loaded hand, you're asking to run into a losing situation. We recognize Jace 3 by his "mill 10" effect, but it's the +1 that makes him playable situations.
You sweep on turn four, then play him and deal with the rest of the threats in the next three turns. That's his real use. Paying five to get a card each turn isn't worth it. Furthermore, not advancing your current board position or getting closer to the kill for five mana seems lackluster. However, casting him on an empty board against a control deck means "I hope you have a O-Ring or you're pretty much screwed".
If there's something on the board when you cast Jace, he's already dead, or you are.
The current standard, mill isn't viable.
We have no idea what Dimir has in store since it seems mill focused.
I personally like the idea of milling 10 with Jace while having a Lazav out.
I never get why some players can't understand that some people just like to play off the wall decks for fun sometimes. I don't think anyone has any belief that mill will be the next top deck. However it might be fun to play with the Dimir stuff, and that's why a lot of people play. For fun. It gets boring playing nothing but bant control/midrange or B/R Zombie aggro for eternity.
Personally, I'm going to give it a try as a fun alternate deck to play with friends. I don't expect it to replace my main deck, but I do think it will be fun.
Thing is, we're discussing how the card is good, not how the card is fun. Sure, people can play it and it's perfectly right (up until right now, I played Synco over Dissipate just for the art), but we're talking about viability. Cramming it in your deck hoping it'll win you games isn't effective, though it may be worth it to do it for fun. Discussing the fun out of cards, however, is not the purpose of this thread for most people.
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be effective in a mill deck.
For the same reason Mycosynth Fiend isn't good : it's counterproductive. Also, It's completely useless without the appropriate engine and mana. You'd be better off with something that actually mills, which means that you don't have to pay eight in the same turn to deal a lot of damage, just casting the spell and getting closer to your goal.
Also, a mill deck in itself is not effective right now. Cramming in your deck Jace + him is not being effective. There just isn't the tools to make such a deck effectively in the current Standard.
Memory Adept isn't a good card because it can make silly combos- it's a good card because it nets an extra draw every turn which is an important feature for many 5 and 6 mana spells (a 'la Staff of Nin .) There's no reason to get dumb with your Memory Adepts just because the combo potential is there- but the deck can certainly be built- just don't lean on it as your best out. Think of Jace as a personal one sided Howling Mine to get you all of the extra removal you need and now and then give you that alternate win-con.
Well, honestly, most of the time you don't even use that ability. Mill 10 each turn pretty much sets a 3-4 turn clock on an empty board.
Not really, drawing an extra card makes Jace pay for itself as a card and digs further into the deck for more removal. 5 mana mill 10 isn't exactly a good rate. So Jace defaults into it's +1 until you can secure a board position where you can establish the clock. If you play Jace and force them to mill ten with a loaded hand, you're asking to run into a losing situation. We recognize Jace 3 by his "mill 10" effect, but it's the +1 that makes him playable situations.
You sweep on turn four, then play him and deal with the rest of the threats in the next three turns. That's his real use. Paying five to get a card each turn isn't worth it. Furthermore, not advancing your current board position or getting closer to the kill for five mana seems lackluster. However, casting him on an empty board against a control deck means "I hope you have a O-Ring or you're pretty much screwed".
If there's something on the board when you cast Jace, he's already dead, or you are.
He only ever sees sideboard play, against decks with few to no creatures. Your sweep-then-mill scenario isn't what happens.
You manipulate an opening through counterspells to resolve him around Turn 8, then you draw a card. From the following turn on, you keep milling with counter mana up, or keep using the card draw to build up a defensive position and then finish them off with the mill.
You manipulate an opening through counterspells to resolve him around Turn 8, then you draw a card. From the following turn on, you keep milling with counter mana up, or keep using the card draw to build up a defensive position and then finish them off with the mill.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back.
Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?
Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability. If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat. Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap. If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player. Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield. Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has? No freaking way. Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
1. cast frankie peanuts 2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power 3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo 4. donate them a platinum angel 5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus , then play enchanted evening . play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever) 6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated.
Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH.
-First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20.
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates.
Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block.
No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too.
Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
"I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy ." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so...
"Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use.
From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin.
183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn . He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft ) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft . Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1
Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad .
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797
Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1
Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist.
Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
You manipulate an opening through counterspells to resolve him around Turn 8, then you draw a card. From the following turn on, you keep milling with counter mana up, or keep using the card draw to build up a defensive position and then finish them off with the mill.
Why don't you mill on the first turn?
Because it's all about options and securing your position- Turning part of their deck upside down is a worse than looking for more removal or answers to their answer to Jace or your next threat. Your opponent needs to be in a crumple-state and you need to have a comfortable amount of options before you start turning on the mill to create the clock. Since you're working on imperfect information, you want to avoid unnecessary punishment and getting to dig is a nice start.
Sometimes they DO just have nothing, but when Oblivion Ring becomes a virtual Time Walk in your threat-light deck, you're reducing your opportunities to get back into the game. But when they do have something and you lose Jace, being up a card is better than them being down none but having fewer cards in deck.
EDIT: When you take my spacejazz speak out of it what I'm getting at is as many would say- "Mill is a do nothing win condition, and if your opponent has flashback or spells that interact with the graveyard it's virtual advantage for them. You shouldn't resort to milling until you're absolutely sure your investment will not be punished"
If you have a jace, you don't need to get CA. You have the pressure, you just need to keep them from shaking up the board too much for the next few turns.
I don't have an egosig because I'd rather my ideas be judged on their merits than on mine.
What are catpoints? A way of measuring how much I love you. How do I get catpoints? 1: participate in my forum games/contests. 2: make awesome posts. 3: destroy Carthage. What can I do with catpoints? You can ask favors of me. I may or may not agree to your favor, depending on how big the favor is and how many catpoints you have. Who has how many catpoints? shadowchu: 100 Islands: 100 Niche: 50 mrindigo: 50 kips: 50 Rstnme: 25 Jman: 25 everyone else: 0 Keeperofmanynames: -100 Morgothra: -100
I never get why some players can't understand that some people just like to play off the wall decks for fun sometimes. I don't think anyone has any belief that mill will be the next top deck. However it might be fun to play with the Dimir stuff, and that's why a lot of people play. For fun. It gets boring playing nothing but bant control/midrange or B/R Zombie aggro for eternity.
Personally, I'm going to give it a try as a fun alternate deck to play with friends. I don't expect it to replace my main deck, but I do think it will be fun.
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But more seriously, Jace 3 is far better than people give him credit for. He can easily be a 2-3 turn clock simply by playing a regular game of Magic (god I hate Esper Control, and so many people in my area play it). You don't NEED to +1 him, because that extra loyalty is either going to A) Not matter because he will die anyway or B) Not matter because they only have about half their library, and you are better off using his 0 to mill them. If the situation is A, then you should be playing differently if you are ACTUALLY on the Jace Plan. If its B, then chances are you are winning that game anyway. Obviously that's oversimplistic (A ultimated Tamiyo flat out wins games and Jace is almost pointless at that point) but the point is that if you are on the Jace Plan, you don't need to worry about your opponent's life total.
Also, semi-related, Esper Control is definitely the most skill intensive deck in the format. So many chances to lose the game based simply on choices made in the first 2-3 turns (Augur of Bloas choice is definitely one of the big ones) and was the most fun I've had playing Magic in a while (possibly for unrelated reasons tho)
(at)MrEnglish22 "still a better Commander card than Emmara Tandris" -On the topic of Squire
: Regenerate.
