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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 8:50PM #61
Kazepenku
Date Joined: Nov 21, 2012
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Jan 6, 2013 -- 8:48PM, RorixCollector wrote:

Junk rare this will rarely ever hit.




well, most dimir cards are useless if they don't hit the opponent.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 8:52PM #62
RorixCollector
Date Joined: Apr 26, 2006
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Jan 6, 2013 -- 8:50PM, Kazepenku wrote:

Jan 6, 2013 -- 8:48PM, RorixCollector wrote:

Junk rare this will rarely ever hit.




well, most dimir cards are useless if they don't hit the opponent.




The solution is to steer clear of the Dimir guild because so far it's terrible.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 9:08PM #63
TranscientMaster
Date Joined: May 15, 2010
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Yes, clearly the number of fliers in every format is so dense that a relatively studry 3-drop will never hit.

I don't think it's all that good, but it's not that bad.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 07, 2013 - 3:36PM #64
TheRadHatter
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Jan 1, 2013 -- 10:00PM, pigknight wrote:

Jan 1, 2013 -- 9:49PM, GeoleVyi wrote:

Since it says "play the cards" and not "Cast the cards" doesn't it mean you can just... you know... not pay any costs and put the card directly onto the stack?



No, you play with them asif they were in your hand. You either need to be in their colors or get lands with the mill.


So why doesn't it just say "You may cast cards...?"  They updated the word "play" from a long time ago because "play" used to mean "cast."  Now we have Cast AND Play....what's the technical differences?

Because if it said "You may cast cards exiled with Nightveil Specter" I would assume I would need the mana to cast it, otherwise it would say "You may cast cards exiled with Nightveil Specter without paying their mana cost."  So what does "play" mean here? 

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 07, 2013 - 3:39PM #65
Kazepenku
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Jan 7, 2013 -- 3:36PM, TheRadHatter wrote:

Jan 1, 2013 -- 10:00PM, pigknight wrote:

Jan 1, 2013 -- 9:49PM, GeoleVyi wrote:

Since it says "play the cards" and not "Cast the cards" doesn't it mean you can just... you know... not pay any costs and put the card directly onto the stack?



No, you play with them asif they were in your hand. You either need to be in their colors or get lands with the mill.


So why doesn't it just say "You may cast cards...?"  They updated the word "play" from a long time ago because "play" used to mean "cast."  Now we have Cast AND Play....what's the technical differences?

Because if it said "You may cast cards exiled with Nightveil Specter" I would assume I would need the mana to cast it, otherwise it would say "You may cast cards exiled with Nightveil Specter without paying their mana cost."  So what does "play" mean here? 





we will know soon. If it IS what you say that you can just "put it on the battlefield", then playset of these here I come.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 07, 2013 - 4:13PM #66
etcetera
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It says play instead of cast because you get to play both spells and lands exiled by the specter.   If it was only spells, they would have used cast.  But you don't cast lands, you just play them.  Its using current templating.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 2:06PM #67
Hreth
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Jan 7, 2013 -- 4:13PM, etcetera wrote:

It says play instead of cast because you get to play both spells and lands exiled by the specter.   If it was only spells, they would have used cast.  But you don't cast lands, you just play them.  Its using current templating.


From the FAQ:

- Playing a card exiled with Nightveil Specter follows all the normal rules for playing that card. You must pay its costs, and you must follow all timing restrictions, for example.


- Nightveil Specter’s last ability applies to cards exiled with that specific Nightveil Specter, not any other creature named Nightveil Specter. You should keep cards exiled by different Nightveil Specters separate.

Note that this plays very nicely with Realmwright (As Realmwright enters the battlefield, choose a basic land type. Lands you control are the chosen type in addition to their other types.).

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 2:16PM #68
Kazepenku
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Jan 21, 2013 -- 2:06PM, Hreth wrote:

Jan 7, 2013 -- 4:13PM, etcetera wrote:

It says play instead of cast because you get to play both spells and lands exiled by the specter. If it was only spells, they would have used cast. But you don't cast lands, you just play them. Its using current templating.


From the FAQ:

- Playing a card exiled with Nightveil Specter follows all the normal rules for playing that card. You must pay its costs, and you must follow all timing restrictions, for example.


- Nightveil Specter’s last ability applies to cards exiled with that specific Nightveil Specter, not any other creature named Nightveil Specter. You should keep cards exiled by different Nightveil Specters separate.

Note that this plays very nicely with Realmwright (As Realmwright enters the battlefield, choose a basic land type. Lands you control are the chosen type in addition to their other types.).




if the nightveil specter dies, are you still allowed to play it?

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 2:21PM #69
etcetera
Date Joined: May 21, 2004
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Jan 21, 2013 -- 2:16PM, Kazepenku wrote:

Jan 21, 2013 -- 2:06PM, Hreth wrote:

Jan 7, 2013 -- 4:13PM, etcetera wrote:

It says play instead of cast because you get to play both spells and lands exiled by the specter. If it was only spells, they would have used cast. But you don't cast lands, you just play them. Its using current templating.


From the FAQ:

- Playing a card exiled with Nightveil Specter follows all the normal rules for playing that card. You must pay its costs, and you must follow all timing restrictions, for example.


- Nightveil Specter’s last ability applies to cards exiled with that specific Nightveil Specter, not any other creature named Nightveil Specter. You should keep cards exiled by different Nightveil Specters separate.

Note that this plays very nicely with Realmwright (As Realmwright enters the battlefield, choose a basic land type. Lands you control are the chosen type in addition to their other types.).




if the nightveil specter dies, are you still allowed to play it?


no.  also, not sure what part of my post that rules quote was responding to/related to.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 21, 2013 - 2:21PM #70
Matt_Holck
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~I've no idea so I'll take yours
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