OK, in the Izzet v. Golgari duel deck pack, the Izzet deck seems much more powerful than the Golgari one, but I could just be playing wrong. So my question is, do I have the rules right?
I just played a game where I cast isochron scepter , and used it to exile call to heel . Then I get the following cards into play:
The Golgari player turns his Svogthos, the restless tomb into a 10/10 creature or whatever. I tap the Gelectrode to deal 1 damage, and then I use the isochron scepter to bounce his restless tomb back to his hand. I untap the Gelectrode. I tap him again. Then... I pay (2)(B) to activate the Izzet Guildmage's ability to copy a 'target instant spell.' I copy call to heel. Then I bounce something else, like a Golgari Grave-Troll , remove 2 counters from the Shrewd Hatchling, and attack with the hatchling and the wee dragonauts which are now a 5/3 flying creature.
Is this right?
Thanks in advance.
The difference between these two copy effects is subtle, but important in this case.
When you activate Isochron Scepter , it creates a copy of a card in exile that is then cast, so it will trigger Gelectrode , Wee Dragonauts , and any other relevant abilities. Izzet Guildmage creates a copy of a spell directly on the stack. That copy wasn't cast, so it won't trigger Gelectrode.
So, in this specific example, you only get to take one counter off the Hatchling, the Dragonauts is only a 2/3.
You do get to untap Gelectrode for the initial casting from the Scepter, but you do not get to untap it a second time.
OK, cool. One more question: A copy is a spell? So a copy of an exiled card is a valid target for the izzet guildmage?
Yes. Both the copies cast with Isochron Scepter and the copies created by Izzet Guildmage are spells.
A spell is a card or a copy of a card on the stack. As long as it's on the stack and it's not an ability, Izzet Guildmage can copy it.
Keep in mind it has to stil be on the stack.... if you wait for it to resolve it is too late.
You also can't copy a spell after it resolves, which I imagine he already knows.
Replace the word "bounce" with "target" in his initial post and the order of actions is correct. The terminology used is just imprecise.
Also, on the topic of responding to things, here's a fun fact:
Gelectrode 's triggered ability doesn't have an intervening if clause, which means it will trigger and go onto the stack every time you cast an instant or sorcery, even if Gelectrode is untapped.
This means you can cast a spell while Gelectrode is untapped, have its untap trigger go onto the stack, tap it in response to its own trigger, and still have it untapped.
yes, everything you stated is correct, with the exception of the copied card with the guildmage , and to be honest i agree with your statement that izzet > golgari :P
izzet can especially be confusing at times, try have the situation you stated with a guttersnipe , sphinx-bone wand , and more creatures like kiln fiend . there's a lot to keep track of
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