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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 3:39PM #1
KaeMe
Date Joined: Jul 17, 2012
Posts: 55
Clone so if this is used on Restoration Angel for example does the clone become exactly that creature; meaning it is no longer blue but instead it is a White Angel Creature only?
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 3:43PM #2
ikegami
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2007
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No, it doesn't copy the color directly, but it does copy the mana cost, the color indicator and all abilities that is has before any continuous effects are applied. Unless a continuous effect affects one of the permanents and not the other*, they will end up having the same color.

The cloned Restoration Angel would be white and only white because its mana cost became and it has no color indicator.


* — For example, if you were to Clone a Restoration Angel made red using Crimson Wisps , the cloned Angel would be white and only white.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 3:45PM #3
rezzahan
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Yes, color is derived from the mana cost or color indicator which are copied along with everything else printed on the copied card, and overwrite Clone 's original properties. If it copies a Restoration Angel , it becomes itself a Restoration Angel just like it was another copy of that card.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 3:45PM #4
pitiex
Date Joined: Jul 4, 2012
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From Rules:
706.2a: A copy acquires the color of the object it's copying because that value is derived from its mana cost or color indicator.

So, it's not exactly as you said.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 6:28PM #5
DirtyElf
Date Joined: Jan 19, 2012
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I assume that the Cloned angel will have flash, but the player casting Clone cannot cast Clone at flash speed because Clone can't (normally) be cast at flash speed.  Basically, Clone doesn't have flash, so you can't cast it when you want.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 8:47PM #6
Shard_Fenix
Date Joined: Jan 24, 2011
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Jan 1, 2013 -- 6:28PM, DirtyElf wrote:

I assume that the Cloned angel will have flash, but the player casting Clone cannot cast Clone at flash speed because Clone can't (normally) be cast at flash speed.  Basically, Clone doesn't have flash, so you can't cast it when you want.



Correct. It doesn't become a copy while it's on the stack. It becomes a copy much later when it resolves.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 2:30AM #7
rezzahan
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Note, that a creature with flash still has that ability when it's on the battlefield or in any other zone. This doesn't have any relevance most of the time, but Muraganda Petroglyphs would care.
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