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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 10:28AM #1
Anthos
Date Joined: Aug 16, 2009
Posts: 292
Used to be a huge fan of MBC in standard and just got back into the game a few months ago, but havent seen really any MBC decks running around that werent straight vampire aggro decks. Would like some advice on how viable people think this deck is as a potential MBC template, what it can do better in general to be competetive. 

Creatures:
4 x Vampire Nighthawk
4 x Crypt Ghast
4 x Desecration Demon
3 x Olivia Voldaren
2 x Griselbrand
Instants:
3 x Ultimate Price
2 x Tribute to Hunger
Sorceries:
4 x Mutilate
3 x Duress
2 x Slaughter Games
2 x Essence Harvest
2 x Dreadbore
2 x Rakdos's Return
Enchantments:
3 x Underworld Connections
Lands:
17 x Swamp
4 x Blood Crypt
1 x Stensia Bloodhall
Sideboard:
4 x Rakdos Charm
3 x Stromkirk Captain
3 x Appetite for Brains
2 x Curse of Death's Hold
2 x Sever the Bloodline
1 x Stensia Bloodhall
 
 
Sorry about the lack of hyper-linking, I never really picked up on it when i used to use the forums, and I can't remember how to anyore XP.

Critique is welcome, so long that it is beneficial in some way.

EDIT: This is the most current idea i'm runnng with, the original was mono-black.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 10:53AM #2
Xtrmn8er
Date Joined: Sep 5, 2012
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You definitely need to autocard. You can use [ deck ] [ / deck ] without the spaces to encompass all of them. You will have to remove the mana costs at the end of the card for that to work. This is not a control list. This has some elements of the black aggro zombies decks that are running around and a couple cards that are considered control, so you are really combining two different types of decks. There are not really enough good black cards for MBC right now. Slum Reaper is a horrible card. If you want control, you need all 4 Mutilate . Bloodline Keeper is another decent one to look at. Underworld Connections is good card advantage along with Sign in Blood like you have added. There are other threads that talk about MBC as well, you should try looking at them.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 11:31AM #3
Watercat_
Date Joined: Dec 18, 2012
Posts: 239
I much prefer Tribute to Hunger over slum reaper
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 12:22PM #4
SyskoNango
Date Joined: Jun 3, 2012
Posts: 81
also i would add some number of vampire nighthawk 's and ultimate price over bump in the night. bump in the night is more for aggro. 

i also agree with waterat_ on tribute to hunger 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 01, 2013 - 7:34PM #5
Anthos
Date Joined: Aug 16, 2009
Posts: 292
I was previously un-aware of tribute to hunger, I absolutely agree that is better. As to running the "aggro zombies" Gravecrawler is there soley to fuel blood artist and geralf is just too good not to play in any kind of black deck. I was unsure if 4 Mutilate would be too many in the deck since Esper control and Self-Mill decks are the norm at my local FNM. Should Nighthawk be mainboarded over anything? (excluding slum reapers which will be exchanged for tribute to hunger) and is there a better finisher for black right now besides necropolis regent?
 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 11:53PM #6
Anthos
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 1:04AM #7
Decktesting54
Date Joined: Jun 23, 2012
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MBC is great and all, but in a multcolor set like ravnica it would probably be better to drop the purely MBC and try MBC + a splash of 1 or more colors, going purely MBC limits you too much right now, it would be better to try and add another color so you can take advantage of gold cards like Olivia Voldaren and havengul lich , maybe you could try a grixis control thing once GTC comes out. It will open up more options, you can keep the majority of the deck black but just adding a few select cards from other colors would go a long way to stabilizing your deck probably, I perfer MBC and thats what im doing, it works a lot better, the tools for MBC by itself simply arn't there right now.

plus if your going MBC you should add vampire nighthawk hes probably one of the most solid 3 drops in the game right now, he gives you life, can block most creatures in aggro decks all day long and later in the game kill something big with his deathtouch.

desecration demon is great I would suggest geting 4 of him, just dont attack with him and you've got a 6/6 wall that trades with one of theirs or grows bigger and hurts their board presence which is a win either way.

I would get more mutilate s in the mainboard, in a control variant like this having 4 sweepers is probably best, also you might want to consider barter in blood if you don't have any creatures and u cast it you can force your enemy to waste 2 of their creatures without any penalty to yourself. 

some other cards to consider are Underworld Connections , disciple of bolas , Stensia Bloodhall , olivia voldaren , havengul lich , Zealous Conscripts , Essence Harvest , Heartless Summoning , Curse of Death's Hold staff of nin , nephalia drownyard , slaughter games rakdos charm , Liliana of the Dark Realms , bloodgift demon , griselbrand  and unburial rites

underworld connections  is basically sign in blood on steriods
disciple of bolas + desecration demon = 6+ life and cards
stensia bloodhall is a mana sink for control match ups the selling point for me being that the damage can be redirected to planeswalkers
nephalia drownyard alternate win condition being mill, not that good but it's something to consider
olivia voldaren can take over matches single handedly
havengul lich will be better once it gets dimir support but still a fun card
zealous conscripts while red basically reads when this guy enters the battlefield I can take over target planeswalker and sacrifice it to its ultimate ability for 5 mana
essence harvest + desecration demon always throws people off guard
heartless summoning turns desecration demon into a 5/5 for 2 mana
curse of death's hold and staff of nin seem pretty obvious
slaughter games UW control without their sphinx's revelation yes please
rakdos charm token hate + graveyard hate + artifact hate
liliana of the dark realms is kind of obvious
bloodgift demon  is phyrexian arena on a 5/4 flying beat stick
griselbrand legal necropotence
and unburial rites for big fat fatties like griselbrand
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 1:19PM #8
Anthos
Date Joined: Aug 16, 2009
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Creatures:
4 x Vampire Nighthawk
4 x Crypt Ghast
4 x Desecration Demon
3 x Olivia Voldaren
Sorceries:
2 x Slaughter Games
4 x Mutilate
3 x Duress
3 x Tribute to Hunger
3 x Essence Harvest
2 x Rakdos's Return
Enchantments:
3 x Underworld Connections
Planeswalkers:
3 x Liliana of the Dark Realms
Lands:
18 x Swamp
4 x Blood Crypt
Sideboard:
4 x ?
3 x Appetite for Brains
2 x Curse of Death's Hold
4 x Rakdos Charm
2 x Slaughter Games
 

okay how does this look? It definitely seems like im clogged for turn 3 and turn 4 plays, but it seems like it can curve and ramp itself to answer just about any threat every turn until i can get out my creatures and pick them off at my leisure.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 1:59PM #9
Anthos
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Just realized that Dreadbore needs to be in here somewhere, and that Cremate is unnecessarily redundant in the sideboard. suggestions on what to trade for Dreadbore and what to fill my 4 sideboard slots with?
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 4:16PM #10
Decktesting54
Date Joined: Jun 23, 2012
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I would take out one essence harvest and one tribute to hunger and put in 2 dreadbore s in their place, only need 2 essence harvest s they hits really hard and unexpectedly when your playing desecration demon , but playing too many of them can be detrimental because they require you have a board presence.

right now you have a lot of mana growth through things like  liliana of the dark realms and crypt ghast , but nothing all to big to spend that mana on, I would suggest throwing in 1 or 2  griselbrand s, with crypt ghast on the field on turn 4 you can hardcast a griselbrand on turn 5; I would sadly suggest to take out 2 liliana of the dark realms , crypt ghast is going to ramp your mana up a lot faster than she could.

I would suggest adding more lands as well, 22 isn't really enough for a control deck, I would add 2 more swamps, perhaps taking out 1 duress and 1 slaughter games , slaughter games is mainboardable, but only to such an extent because the first game your not going to know what the enemy is playing. I would also suggest getting 4 dragonskull summit s for the deck as well, they will hurt your mutilate s but with 18+ swamp s it will not be too big of a deal, I would also suggest playing at least one Stensia Bloodhall it is deceptively good vs control match ups, its basically 2 damage they cannot prevent every turn, which will add up after a while, the best part is that the damage can be redirected to planeswalkers.

for control match ups i would also suggest adding 1 Disciple of Bolas on your sideboard, him + desecration demon = refilled hand and life, UW control likes to use tamiyo to keep big guys like that tapped out so just sac him in response then throw down some more threats and beat face. your biggest threat is probably going to be aggro matches with things like GW aggro, RDW and BR aggro, the guy I use to hold off those kind of threats is supricingly Stromkirk Captain , you have enough vampires in this deck to validate him on the sideboard, giving your vampire nighthawk or olivia voldaren first strike can often times create a wall most aggro decks won't simply be able to plow through, not to mention first strike + deathtouch means they die before get past the first strike phase no mater how strong they are. If you don't like that Idea I also use Hanweir Watchkeep its ironic, but this werewolf will always be a 1/5 wall so long as you cast at least one spell during your turn, and if you don't cast one he becomes a 5/5 wall, often times RDW can't get past 5 toughness, and BR aggro also has a very similar problem, GW aggro can beat it eventually but it slows them down enough to stablize as a control deck and take over the game.

I would also suggest adding some instant kill spells to the sideboard, a surprice thundermaw hellkite , silverblade paladin or hellrider  can ruin your game very fast, something like searing spear , victim of night or ultimate price ; in fact I would suggest replacing 1 of the tribute to hunger s in your deck with a ultimate price for sure, it won't hit everything, but I would rather have targeted removal rather than an edict effect right now, if you don't get some threats off the field immediately you lose the game. victim of night will probably become the more viable option as more gold colored cards become available in GTC, it can take care of a lot of baddies right now, but not all of them.

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