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Dec 30, 2012 -- 11:05PM, Shadowchu wrote:

Infect hasn't an impact on constructed formats?

I'd say infect had an impact to the point that I was playing Suicide Rakdos, a deck specifically developed as anti-infect, and coming in in the top X (where X is correlated to the number of people there) quite regularly after MBS came out.

Then people realized Sword of Feast and Famine went well with Squadron Hawk and Stoneforge Mystic .

I still use Ritual into Phyrexian Vatmother in Legacy. It's a good way to take advantage of how nobody plays with poison.

Dec 31, 2012 -- 12:14PM, MoiMoi wrote:

Nice link, now tell me how the constructed standard list is different from the limited standard list? You know, to make sure you did have a point and a reason to try to be a smartass. If I take card X in constructed and it's awful, it will still be awful in limited... just slightly less awful.... still it's the same card pool.

Have you ever actually played Limited?

Dec 31, 2012 -- 5:23AM, Escef wrote:

Must be nice when you get the privilege to write off a format as "not real" because it does not conform to your argument. Where do you apply for that?

EDH is a real format, since people do play it.

However, it is a very specialized format, since there is the Commander, and the other cards have to share its colors; it thus doesn't share the same basic Magic play experience as the Constructed formats - Standard, Extended, Modern, Legacy, and Vintage - that only differ in their card pool.

Terming EDH "not real", therefore, while certainly not accurate, and indeed somewhat dismissive to the people who play it, is still legitimate enough as a quick shorthand dismissal of it from the argument as not being a format he is concerned with - that is, if certain new keywords are only effective in EDH, that isn't enough to make the keywords worthwhile, at least for him.

He is complaining that these new keywords aren't getting enough powerful cards to make them useful in plain ordinary Constructed formats; the special nature of EDH as a format designed to facilitate more casual play may make the keywords work - but it also may make it less interesting to people who enjoy normal Constructed play. There's nothing hard to understand about that.

Dec 31, 2012 -- 12:14PM, MoiMoi wrote:

Nice link, now tell me how the constructed standard list is different from the limited standard list? You know, to make sure you did have a point and a reason to try to be a smartass. If I take card X in constructed and it's awful, it will still be awful in limited... just slightly less awful.... still it's the same card pool.

Some exceptions:

*A number of combo pieces are inherently bad in limited because they're not good without the other card. During Dark Ascension Sealed, I got three mythics in one pool. I eschewed Essence of the Wild and Helvault but used Drogskol Reaver .
*Removal spells. No matter how overcosted a removal spell is, it's inherently playable in limited, so long as it isn't too narrow.
*Rise of the Eldrazi. The whole thing is more or less black/green ramp, when you consider colorless bombs at all rarities.