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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 5:44PM
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Jul 22, 2012
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Does anyone know any cards that put creatures on the bottom of an opponents library or just shuffled into it? I'm looking for some EDH removal and thought that these types of things would be best for getting rid of enemy commanders (except Mutilate  , nothing can survive a big enough Mutilate ). Thanks!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 6:01PM
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Hinder  and terminus  , just off the top of my head would do the trick. I hate terminus so much. 
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 6:29PM
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Jul 23, 2003
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Condemn  , but I'm guessing that you already know about that one.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 6:42PM
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You're not looking to make friends are you? Shuffle most commanders at the bottom of their library and you'll have a BIG crosshair on your head for the rest of the game and every time you will use that deck again. We banned those from our EDH decks because the people using it didnt like being brought down to 1 hp (often just downright killed) by everyone else, hell most of the time there was a temporary truce to bring down whoever shuffled someone's commander in his library. Also for the sake of it, a lot of stuff can survive a big enough mutilate..... persist and undying are big survivors 
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 6:51PM
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While I certainly think that playgroups should do whatever they feel leads to the most fun games, there is certainly an air of scrubbiness to banning tuck effects...how on earth else are you supposed to deal with overpowering generals? Anyway, @OP: Chaos Warp  , Oblation  , Spin into Myth  , Proteus Staff  , Bant Charm  and Hallowed Burial  are off the top of my head the major ones that haven't been named already. Edit: Spell Crumple 
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 7:41PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 23, 2003
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You're not looking to make friends are you? Shuffle most commanders at the bottom of their library and you'll have a BIG crosshair on your head for the rest of the game and every time you will use that deck again.
This has not been my experience at all. But I'm also guessing that in your play group people rely on their commanders to carry the day and are fool enough to not pack answers to their opponent's removal. Hexproof, Shroud, countermagic... Hell, Swords to Plowshares  or Go for the Throat  on your own commander allows you to send it back into the Command zone instead of sitting there and just letting your opponent put it into your deck. Reshuffling and tutoring is also valid. Reusable Scrye  effects, top of deck manipulation combined with reshuffles...
If this is such a big problem in your group that you need to ban it, than I'd say your group is more interested in banning cards than improving their skill as players. Almost everyone I play EDH with delights in being magnificent bastards, and while we may not like it when we are the victims, we are sportsman enough to recognize these tactics as good plays. Hell, just last night I had 4 people scoop to me at once because I had Magus of the Moat  , Erratic Portal  , and Gilded Lotus  on the board after I Armageddon  ed. It was awesome. They scooped because they knew I had the game in the bag at that point.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 8:01PM
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My playgroup just laughs at the idea of people losing commanders and sends them right back to the command group so it's a non-issue for us.
If this is such a big problem in your group that you need to ban it, than I'd say your group is more interested in banning cards than improving their skill as players.
Look i'm all for improving my playskill and everything, but dude, get an off switch and lighten up. It's commander.
You aren't here to improve your playskill, your here to run around with a silly inconsistent casual deck and make sure everyone has fun.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 8:10PM
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Look i'm all for improving my playskill and everything, but dude, get an off switch and lighten up. It's commander.
You aren't here to improve your playskill, your here to run around with a silly inconsistent casual deck and make sure everyone has fun.
Did it occur to you that is how some of us have fun? Hell, I've seen someone pop his Plague Boiler  in response to me Busting  . It's hilarious. We have fun. Hell, When I put Numot, the Devastator  into the command zone at the beginning of the game I know at least one player immediately drops crosshairs on me. Instead of telling the guy who has no problem with being on the receiving end of others' being magnificent bastards to "lighten up", maybe you should consider that you can't get much "lighter" than casually accepting getting your board wiped.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:54PM
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You're not looking to make friends are you? Shuffle most commanders at the bottom of their library and you'll have a BIG crosshair on your head for the rest of the game and every time you will use that deck again.
I suspect that's just a regional playgroup thing, because I've never seen that happen--ever. Putting commanders into libraries is accepted as a normal part of the game by every group I've ever played Commander with, and never brings down the wrath of the table on its own. Heck, it doesn't even always draw significant ire from the person whose commander you've just tucked.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:22PM
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Aug 29, 2011
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You're not looking to make friends are you? Shuffle most commanders at the bottom of their library and you'll have a BIG crosshair on your head for the rest of the game and every time you will use that deck again.
I suspect that's just a regional playgroup thing, because I've never seen that happen--ever. Putting commanders into libraries is accepted as a normal part of the game by every group I've ever played Commander with, and never brings down the wrath of the table on its own. Heck, it doesn't even always draw significant ire from the person whose commander you've just tucked.
Pretty nuch this. Hell, I imagine most playgroups will be glad to be able to take an Omnath/Ghave/Numot break.
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Hi everyone,I have two questions.
1. If my opponent already controlled a planewalker , then he cast avacyn,angle of hope  ,and resolved on battlefield.Now his planewalker in indestructible right?
[c]Avacyn, Angel of Hope[/c] -> Avacyn, Angel of Hope 
No need to be so obtuse, maybe he's just trying to complement her. That's not too radical of a concept, I mean she is pretty acute, right?.
This right here should be a bannable offense :p
No, not an outright banning, that's too easy. He should be punished ...
... by degrees.
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