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Dec 29, 2012 -- 7:14PM, Shadowchu wrote:

A card being good in EDH is an irrelevant measure of a card. We're talking about real constructed formats. 

Tell that to the price of Doubling Season

Dec 29, 2012 -- 6:51PM, MoiMoi wrote:

... I didnt mean bad cards as in they will never be played, I meant that they will never be played outside of casual.

If you played Sneak Attack against most people I know in Vintage or LEgacy you would get rolled up. It's not good at all. Revelation and Sig can at least be used to great effect NOW and Revelation will be fine in modern. You could trade them for cards that are actually GOOD like shock lands.

Dec 29, 2012 -- 7:14PM, Shadowchu wrote:

A card being good in EDH is an irrelevant measure of a card. We're talking about real constructed formats. 

Yeah but if something is JUST on the verge of being playable in eternal formats, it will often find a place in most EDH decks of the colors of the cards and will be played a lot, thus making the price go higher, I dont think either of sphinx or sigarda are there, so once they are out of standard, the price will not go up again, at best it will stay there.

On the other hand, as long as they keep bringing meaner and meaner creatures, show and tell and sneak attack will keep their value (that's the minimum, they will probably continue to increase)

Dec 30, 2012 -- 10:13AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Dec 29, 2012 -- 7:14PM, Shadowchu wrote:

A card being good in EDH is an irrelevant measure of a card. We're talking about real constructed formats. 

As opposed to real...limited formats?

You should've said supported formats and I'd take you more seriously.

And yeah, USZ's a kill card...if you have infinite mana. There are easier ways to mill someone for 53 and you know it.

Easier? Sure. As good? Generally not.

I'd rather run a combo that gives me said mana and then stroke someone out than experience the wonderfull world of dying with an opponent half milled and/or handing any deck that uses it's graveyard as a resource ever a free win.

If you're playing combo then the combo is all that matters. Stroking for the win is just an afterthought. BSZ has the additional advantage of being burnable for some moderate card draw every time you can resolve it prior to your combo going live.


Milling sucks. Wincons at the end of a combo that feature an immediate state-based kill before someone has access to any new resources and priority don't.


Sneak is great because a) it'll keep value, b) it's an awesome card and c) SYNTHESIS! it's a totally awesome casual card that, because it's a legacy playable thing, is not entirely feasible to put into casual decks unless you get some sort of awesome sweetheart trade from some punter who wants standard staples and has legacy playables to trade for them.