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I'm curious to know which RTR cards will increase in value once gatecrash gets added to the mix. Could something like the lifelink cat become more valuable in a boros deck? Could the green landfetch spell (search the horizon?) be stronger in gruul?Things like that.

Here's a couple of my thoughts on how each of the guilds will be valued, knowing only what little I know now (The basic gist of each ability):

I think Simic will be rather underdrafted and open at the start.  The reason being that although it is hypothetically possible to get some good sized creatures in the long run, it's going to be difficult to set up a curve which can properly utilize it.  If the majority of simic creatures are 1/1s to 3/3s you run heavily into a plateau, and you simply can't grow from it.  Still, has possibilities but really requires you to hit your early game Evolve drops early.  If you draw them out late game, they run the risk of being possibly overcosted small creatures.  Without more information, it seems that Simic will not be a terribly valued guild as the plateau effect coupled with what appears to be a lack of late game utility in their creatures appears.  It may be the Izzet guild of the set.

Boros is likely to become the Selesnya of the set.  It'll be heavily drafted, however even a mediocre deck is better than a mediocre deck of the other guilds.  The reason being that given what we know about the ability, stacking the field with a few small creatures and some big ones means that you could have 3-5 Battallion triggers all going off at once.  If there are more that are similar to the Firemane, in the sense that they at least deal damage, then you could be looking at clean sweeps of the battlefield before blockers are even declared.  I'm going to assume that even the released one isn't going to be the bombiest, and that there will be plenty of other useful effects.  Even if dealing 1 damage was the effect, which I assume will show up on either a common/uncommon, it can be a real pain.  So I'm thinking Boros is going to be the one to beat for a while.  It's just such a good ability comparatively.

Orzhov will likely be relatively highly valued as well.  Given how cheap Extort is to pay for, getting a couple Extort permanents on the field and paying for them all shouldn't be an issue methinks.  I'm willing to bet there will be a few efficient extorters.  The huge life swings that go through stalls will be a royal pain for opponents.  The life gain will allow you to take some hits you normally wouldn't, and if they don't have blockers open the life-loss will wreck them even if they do attack.  I'm going to say this is the more long-term style deck that is stands a good chance without specific cards.  It could function as a long-game stalling deck, and probably will do that the best.  Much like Golgari is now.

Gruul will likely be undervalued at first, however become a real monster to play against.  When all of your creatures become combat tricks (And from what I can see, at least relatively efficient ones), it turns from trying to figure out if they have a trick in their hand to a game of figuring if they are going to play said trick.  A straight gruul deck could rather easily be 17 lands, 23 creatures and still function very well methinks if they get enough playables.  It's the sleeping dragon, so to speak, and if there are efficient low-cost creatures in either Green or Red, the curve shouldn't be hard to make.

Dimir, quite frankly, is beyond me at this point.  As the Cipher ability can be pretty much anything, the strategies involved with the dimir deck could be all over the place.  I honestly have no idea how this one will play, nor how valued it will be.  That said, I'm thinking it'll be a splash guild for the most part to gain the benefits of good Cipher cards.  Without knowing what will be in Blue or Black as commons/uncommons it's difficult to say how well going straight U/B is going to be.  I do think it will take considerable more work to make it function that an other guild, so I'm thinking it may drive players away from it at first.  Infact, I think it may very well be the least drafted guild in the set just based on the current ability.

With that over, my thinking is that Boros and Gruul will be the big showers at the Pre-release events and leading into early drafting.  Orzhov will be next up and perform well.  Just from what I see with Evolve, I think Simic won't do so well, and Dimir is just beyond me.

Dec 28, 2012 -- 4:22AM, Catotheyounger wrote:

Without knowing the commons, there's no way to predict the relative power levels of the guilds, which is why I wanted to discuss the strategies instead.

Which is why I said that knowing what little we know.  Still, you can tell a lot about probable power level based on these abilities and knowing how the colors work together usually.  Reason R/W will likely be strong is because both those colors in combination with one another are known for rather efficient small creatures.  It won't be difficult to get the needed number of attackers out.  Give how the ability functions, also, means that you can get several triggers going off per turn.  As I said, it's not unreasonable to assume that there will be a small creature with a damage trigger at Common/Uncommon.  Even if there isn't, the sure overwhelming force that you can get off of the ability is incredible with any number of effects.  I'm guessing that Boros strategy will involve getting a bunch of small creatures out with a couple bombs to sweep the game.

Simic seems like it will win by the spells in the color more than creatures themselves.  THe problem I have with Evolve is not one where I actually need to see the rest of the set:  It's very likely to plateau early, and late game drops of evolve creatures will not be useful.  If all you have in your hand on turn 3-4 is 1/1s, 2/2s, or 3/3s your evolve creature will reach their critical mass and remain at their current size.  Now, there will probably be spells that play around with +1/+1 counters, so that would change the strategy.  Still, it's a late game strategy that relies heavily on getting lucky with your draws. 

Orzhov will likely be a late game strategy that tries to stall the board for a while, sort of like Lobber Crew decks on steroids.  Slowly take out the opponent, gain board position, and swing for the win late game.  Just from what I can tell about the ability.

Gruul will likely be a beat your face in deck without much intricacies in place. Simple beatdown deck, with efficient creatures and as many Bloodrushers as a player can manage.  Swing big, swing always, make your opponents pay for each block they make

Anyways, I think the dimir mechanic will be like populate, in that its power will depend on you getting a critical mass, as well as a critical mass of enablers.  Instead of token makers, you'll want evasive guys.  And if you go deep enough, you'll be able to pick up the crappy enablers because the synergy will give you so much value.  Unless the common keyword cards are on the same power level as the overload commons. 

And this brings us to dimir.  This is very likely.  Still, I'm not sure how dimir plans to function really.  There is such a wide variance in the ability that about the only thing I can say is that it will work towards getting evasive critters, like you said.  I imagine there will be a common milling Cipher cards(Probably top 2 or 3 cards, I imagine).  So I think Dimir might be able to work towards a mill strategy, maybe.  I dont know really.  It's hard to get a proper read on it.

I think all the mechanics have the potential to be extremely powerful in Limited.

Battalion:  Given how creature based Limited tends to be, the ability to turn chump attackers into huge forces/effects seems to be pretty bonkers.  Anything that screws with combat math is pretty powerful.

Bloodrush:  See above.  In addition, the ability to turn creatures with no impact on the board into pump spells (assuming that's all the mechanic does) is pretty insane.

Extort:  Appears to be a great way to stabilize as a control deck and acts as a big mana sink.  Since Limited is all about who can use their mana more efficiently/effectively, being able to drain your opponent when you draw a dead creature late should be pretty powerful.

Evolve:  Given the limited amount of sweepers in every Limited set, you don't get punished for playing more creatures all that often.  The ability to turn your small early threats into late game powerhouses is going to be insane.

Cipher:  I think this one is the most questionable right now.  If the format has lots of removal and few blue/black hexproof creatures or other ways to protect creatures, this will be a very bad mechanic.  You'll constantly be 2-for-1ing yourself when you use the ability.  That said, if there are some choice enablers (like Invisible Stalker ) and good effects, the mechanic is going to be broken.

Of course, it's very difficult to make any judgments when we only have one example of each of the mechanics to look at.  We have no idea if the effects are static or if different effects will get tacked on.  We also don't have any rulings on them.  There simply isn't enough information to hold effective rational discussion on the mechanics yet.

I totally misread the card.  I thought cipher was like imprint, i.e. that you could "encode" a creature without casting the spell.  There goes my visions of going all in on an Invisible Stalker on turn 2 and wrecking people...