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5 months ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 2:15PM #1
MysticOwl
Date Joined: Dec 26, 2012
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I have a question about the following situation:

I attacked with several creatures, one of which was a Pyreheart Wolf and another was an Ash Zealot (a 2/2). My opponent blocked the Ash Zealot with a Wolfir Avenger and a Predator Ooze. I assigned all of the AZ's combat damage to the Wolfir first.

Is the AZ killed by the Wolfir before the Ooze gets to do any damage to it or does the Ooze get a +1/+1 counter for killing the AZ alongside the Wolfir?

I found this rule excerpt online "(During the combat damage step, a blocking creature cant assign combat damage to a creature its blocking unless each creature ahead of that blocked creature in its order is assigned lethal damage.)", which to me means the Ooze doesn't get to do any damage to AZ and doesn't get a counter, but I'm not sure if it's from before the recent rules change to the way combat damage gets assigned.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 2:20PM #2
FezzHead
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The order you assign combat damage to the blockers doesn't affect the timing of how combat damage is dealt. In the first strike combat step, your Ash Zealot will deal 2 damage to Wolfir Avenger , and in the regular combat damage step, both the Wolfir and the Predator Ooze will deal their combat damage at the same time to the Zealot. Predator Ooze will get a counter.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 2:21PM #3
LadenSwallow
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Dec 26, 2012 -- 2:15PM, MysticOwl wrote:

I have a question about the following situation:

I attacked with several creatures, one of which was a Pyreheart Wolf and another was an Ash Zealot (a 2/2). My opponent blocked the Ash Zealot with a Wolfir Avenger and a Predator Ooze . I assigned all of the AZ's combat damage to the Wolfir first.

Is the AZ killed by the Wolfir before the Ooze gets to do any damage to it or does the Ooze get a +1/+1 counter for killing the AZ alongside the Wolfir?

I found this rule excerpt online "(During the combat damage step, a blocking creature cant assign combat damage to a creature its blocking unless each creature ahead of that blocked creature in its order is assigned lethal damage.)", which to me means the Ooze doesn't get to do any damage to AZ and doesn't get a counter, but I'm not sure if it's from before the recent rules change to the way combat damage gets assigned.




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5 months ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 2:23PM #4
Zoidberg
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Dec 26, 2012 -- 2:15PM, MysticOwl wrote:

I have a question about the following situation:

I attacked with several creatures, one of which was a Pyreheart Wolf and another was an Ash Zealot (a 2/2). My opponent blocked the Ash Zealot with a Wolfir Avenger and a Predator Ooze. I assigned all of the AZ's combat damage to the Wolfir first.

Is the AZ killed by the Wolfir before the Ooze gets to do any damage to it or does the Ooze get a +1/+1 counter for killing the AZ alongside the Wolfir?

I found this rule excerpt online "(During the combat damage step, a blocking creature cant assign combat damage to a creature its blocking unless each creature ahead of that blocked creature in its order is assigned lethal damage.)", which to me means the Ooze doesn't get to do any damage to AZ and doesn't get a counter, but I'm not sure if it's from before the recent rules change to the way combat damage gets assigned.



OK, firstly a couple of advices. Use card tags and form your question in a simpler way. Your post is unreadable, by me at least.

Let's recap:
1. You attack with several creatures including a Pyreheart Wolf and an Ash Zealot .
2. Your opponnent blocks the Zealot with a Wolfir Avenger and a Predator Ooze . You chose the Wolfir as the first in line for damage.

Your question is: does the ooze gets a +1/+1 counter.

My answer: yes. As the ooze deals damage at the same time as the wolfir, who just took 2 in the first strike damage step. 4 damage will be marked on the zealot, 1 of which is from the ooze. When the zealot dies, the ooze triggers and gets a counter when it resolves.

The rule you're quoting is just the rule of combat damage assignment but for a creature blocking more than one creature. Even then, it has nothing to do with damage being dealt at separate times.

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 2:24PM #5
cyphern
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[c]Ash Zealot[/c] ->  Ash Zealot
Pyreheart Wolf
Predator Ooze
Wolfir Avenger

Dec 26, 2012 -- 2:15PM, MysticOwl wrote:


I attacked with several creatures, one of which was a Pyreheart Wolf and another was an Ash Zealot (a 2/2). My opponent blocked the Ash Zealot with a Wolfir Avenger and a Predator Ooze. I assigned all of the AZ's combat damage to the Wolfir first.

Is the AZ killed by the Wolfir before the Ooze gets to do any damage to it or does the Ooze get a +1/+1 counter for killing the AZ alongside the Wolfir?


In the first combat damage step, ash zealot deals combat damage to wolfir avenger, not enough to kill it. In the second combat damage step, wolfir avenger and predator ooze simultaneously deal combat damage to the ash zealot. As a result of this damage, ash zealot dies and predator ooze's ability triggers.

I found this rule excerpt online "(During the combat damage step, a blocking creature cant assign combat damage to a creature its blocking unless each creature ahead of that blocked creature in its order is assigned lethal damage.)"


That rule is the mirror image of the rule which caused you to assign AZ's damage to wolfir avenger before assigning any to predator ooze. If the ooze had blocked multiple creatures (which it didn't and normally can't), the defending player would have had to announce predator ooze's damage assignment order. Predator ooze would then have to follow that damage assignment order, just as AZ had to follow its. But the ooze only blocked one creature, so it deals its combat damage to that creature.

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