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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:27PM
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Deadeye Navigator  enters the battlefield, I choose to pair him up with a Phantasmal Bear  . Later, my opponent decides to target my Bear with, say, Olivia Voldaren  's first activated ability. Phantasmal Bear's trigger triggers, and goes on the stack (?) I activate Phantasmal Bear's soulbonded ability to exile it, then return it to the battlefield under my control. Bear leaves, comes back from exile. Bear's triggered ability resolves, finds no Phantasmal Bear object because that object was exiled, and fizzles. Olivia's activated ability resolves, finds no target to deal one damage to, because that Phantasmal Bear object was exiled. Her ability continues resolving, and she gains a +1/+1 counter. Everything sound right? That's how we played it out last night. ----------------- Other shenanigans: I cast Mind Control  . It resolves, enters the battlefield targetting my opponent's Rakish Heir  . Heir comes under my control. I activate my Deadeye Navigator's self-exile ability (he's paired to someone, say, maybe that Phantasmal Bear from above). Navigator is exiled, re-enters the battlefield. I choose to pair him up with the Rakish Heir. I now activate Rakish Heir's soulbond self-exile. When he comes back to the battlefield, is he under my control? I think so, but I'd like to check with you guys.
Cannot be relied upon^
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:44PM
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Deadeye Navigator enters the battlefield, I choose to pair him up with a Phantasmal Bear .
Later, my opponent decides to target my Bear with, say, Olivia Voldaren 's first activated ability.
Phantasmal Bear's trigger triggers, and goes on the stack (?)
I activate Phantasmal Bear's soulbonded ability to exile it, then return it to the battlefield under my control.
Bear leaves, comes back from exile.
Bear's triggered ability resolves, finds no Phantasmal Bear object because that object was exiled, and fizzles.
Olivia's activated ability resolves, finds no target to deal one damage to, because that Phantasmal Bear object was exiled.
Good to here. Well, people may nitpick the terminology, but the underlying behaviours are all there.
Her ability continues resolving, and she gains a +1/+1 counter.
Here's where you went wrong.
Olivia doesn't get a counter. If all targets for any spell of ability are illegal when it resolves, the spell or ability is countered ("fizzles", to reuse your word). The rest of the ability doesn't occur at all - not even the untargetted parts of it. It was countered. Doesn't happen.
Other shenanigans: I cast Mind Control . It resolves, enters the battlefield targetting my opponent's Rakish Heir . Heir comes under my control. I activate my Deadeye Navigator's self-exile ability (he's paired to someone, say, maybe that Phantasmal Bear from above). Navigator is exiled, re-enters the battlefield. I choose to pair him up with the Rakish Heir.
I now activate Rakish Heir's soulbond self-exile. When he comes back to the battlefield, is he under my control? I think so, but I'd like to check with you guys.
That's all right. You now control the Heir unconditionally and your Mind Control is in your graveyard.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:44PM
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Deadeye Navigator enters the battlefield, I choose to pair him up with a Phantasmal Bear .
Later, my opponent decides to target my Bear with, say, Olivia Voldaren 's first activated ability.
Phantasmal Bear's trigger triggers, and goes on the stack (?)
I activate Phantasmal Bear's soulbonded ability to exile it, then return it to the battlefield under my control.
Bear leaves, comes back from exile.
Bear's triggered ability resolves, finds no Phantasmal Bear object because that object was exiled, and fizzles.
Olivia's activated ability resolves, finds no target to deal one damage to, because that Phantasmal Bear object was exiled. Her ability continues resolving, and she gains a +1/+1 counter.
Everything sound right? That's how we played it out last night.
Not quite. When all targets of a spell/ability are illegal, the spell/ability in it's entirety fails. Olivia Voldaren will not get the +1/+1 counter
Other shenanigans: I cast Mind Control . It resolves, enters the battlefield targetting my opponent's Rakish Heir . Heir comes under my control. I activate my Deadeye Navigator's self-exile ability (he's paired to someone, say, maybe that Phantasmal Bear from above). Navigator is exiled, re-enters the battlefield. I choose to pair him up with the Rakish Heir.
I now activate Rakish Heir's soulbond self-exile. When he comes back to the battlefield, is he under my control? I think so, but I'd like to check with you guys.
Yes, you now control the Heir without Mind Control.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:46PM
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In the first scenario, Olivia Voldaren 's activated ability is countered altogether, since its only target was no longer legal when it tried to resolve, which means she won't get the +1/+1 counter. Everything else was correct, though. As for your second scenario: Deadeye Navigator instructs you to return the creature to the battlefield under your control. If it was meant to come back under its owner's control, it would specify that.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:49PM
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for the second scenario keep in mind that that is unique to the AVR flickers, older flicker cards don't behave that way
proud member of the 2011 community team
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:51PM
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Thanks everyone. I always seem to mess up the countering of an ability/spell with illegal targets (when it has other text following). I think I've asked on here before what it is I'm thinking of that does continue resolving. I think I'll look through my posts and try to figure out what that was about. for the second scenario keep in mind that that is unique to the AVR flickers, older flicker cards don't behave that way
Could you be more specific?
Cannot be relied upon^
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:52PM
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Older "flickers" return the object under its owner's control (see Flicker  or Momentary Blink  ). The newer ones say "your control."
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:53PM
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Flicker , Momentary Blink , Otherworldly Journey  , etc. all won't give you permanent control of the creature, but return it to its owner's control
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:54PM
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Also keep in mind - if that Heir had any counters on it, they went away at flickertime.
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