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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 7:21PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 22, 2011
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Hi all, Confusion in the Ranks  seems like a fun card. Could you explain some of the interactions for me please? I assume a Celestial Colonnade  transforming into a creature will not cause it to trigger? Will any stolen creatures/artifacts etc., be in the same state they were when I stole them? ie - I steal a tapped creature or artifact for example, or a creature with summoning sickness.... If I had a Liquimetal Coating  in play, could I tap it in response to the trigger from CitR, and swap an opponents' anything on the table, with the artifact I just played? Thanks.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 7:38PM
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1. Correct. An object changing characteristics from noncreature to creature does not count as a creature entering the battlefield. 2. Yes. Nothing in Confusion in the Ranks ' text gives the permanent you choose any change of status. If it was tapped when they controlled it, it'll remain tapped when you gain control of it. The same goes for summoning sickness, as CitR doesn't grant haste to creatures.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 7:46PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2010
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If I had a Liquimetal Coating in play, could I tap it in response to the trigger from CitR, and swap an opponents' anything on the table, with the artifact I just played?
no, not this way
you need to use Liquimetal Coating before your artifact enters the battlefield, when it enters and Confusion triggers you need to choose among the permanents that are artifact at that moment, you don't get priority to do something
proud member of the 2011 community team
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 7:47PM
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Sep 16, 2009
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As for the Liquimetal Coating trick, it works, but not as you described. You can't tap it in response to the trigger, as the target is chosen when the trigger is first put on the stack, and the target is "permanent another player control that shares a type" - and at that time, a nonartifact won't be able to be targetted by the ETB of an only-artifact. However, you can activate Liquimetal Coating before your artifact enters the battlefield (ie. in response to casting it), so that the desired permanent is an artifact before the trigger goes off.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 7:27AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 22, 2011
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Great to know.
Thank you gentlemen!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 3:15PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 22, 2011
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I think I'm gonna have fun stealing planeswalkers.....
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 6:09PM
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Jul 22, 2011
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Quick question.... Confusion in the ranks  and Hypergenesis  . My head hurts!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 6:11PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2010
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all Confusion triggers are put on the stack in APNAP order after Hypergenesis has finished
if by the time the trigger wants to resolve you already control the targetted permanent it will be countered, and you get to keep yours
proud member of the 2011 community team
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 10:02PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 15, 2009
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This will take a while. I pulled this off in a four player game once. It took us half an hour to sort out who got what.
Rules Advisor as of 03/01/2013 Zammm = Batman "Ability words are flavor text for Melvins." -- Fallingman
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