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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 1:38PM #21
donjohnson
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Dec 17, 2012 -- 1:15PM, Natedogg wrote:

The War Cry counts the number of goblins you control when it resolves, not when it's put on the stack. So yes, you'll be able to use Krenko's ability before the Strike resolves in order to deal more damage.



Does it work the same with sorceries like;
Beacon of Creation
Parallel Evolution
Spontaneous Generation
....as in the timing...or is it dependant on the card...and if so what is the factor that makes it different in the wording that would keep the effect of the exiled card from working (just for future reference) like the War Strike?
Thanks again

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 1:46PM #22
Coredump00
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Normally, you can only cast sorceries during one of your main phases with an empty stack.

If you had some way to cast sorceries as instants, then it would work the same.


Gah!  need to get my brain engaged faster....

There is no need to cast the spell when using the activated abiltity of the card... my bad.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 1:54PM #23
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Something that asks for a value during casting like Martial Coup uses that value when cast, however, cast from the Panoptic trigger X would always be 0.

For others like the ones that you mentioned, they check the value during resolution.

You didn't ask, but you can cast a sorcery via the Panoptic trigger even though you wouldn't normally have permissions to do so at that point. 
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 1:54PM #24
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Yes, the spells you listed will check on resolution, not when they are put on the stack.

See Jaws of Stone for an example that locks in the amount when it is cast.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 1:56PM #25
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Dec 17, 2012 -- 1:54PM, 2goth4U wrote:

Something that asks for a value during casting like Martial Coup uses that value when cast, however, cast from the Panoptic trigger X would always be 0.



AH...that helps. So it would be pretty useless with anything with X in it?


For others like the one that you mentioned, they check the value during resolution.



I see

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 1:59PM #26
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Dec 17, 2012 -- 1:56PM, donjohnson wrote:

So it would be pretty useless with anything with X in it?


yeah, pretty much
though Spoils of War , Mind Warp , Balduvian Rage and Festival of the Guildpact aren't completely useless

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 1:59PM #27
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Dec 17, 2012 -- 1:54PM, K-Mogg wrote:

Yes, the spells you listed will check on resolution, not when they are put on the stack.



Wow...this game is really complex sometimes

So the 3 I mentioned work basically the same as the Goblin War Strike and would give me the tokens when the Mirror copy resolves during that same upkeep, correct?


Sometimes this game makes me feel like a complete idiot

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 2:07PM #28
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donjohnson: I corrected my post above, sorry for confusing you. 
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 2:07PM #29
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Dec 17, 2012 -- 1:12PM, donjohnson wrote:

Another quick question about the rules and timing.

I have these on the battlefield'
- Krenko, Mob Boss
- Panoptic Mirror with a Goblin War Strike exiled
- 9 Goblin 1/1 creature tokens

On my next upkeep when the Mirrors ability triggers, can I, in response, use Krenkos ability to double the tokes to 19 (9 tokens + Krenko himself for a total of 9+10=19) and then do 19 damage using the exiled GWS...or is the damage going to end up being based on what is in play at the beginning of the upkeep?

Thanks again




Just a quick note, in your example Goblin War Strike will do 20 damage on resolution (I think you forgot to count Krenko)

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 2:10PM #30
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Dec 17, 2012 -- 2:07PM, Coredump00 wrote:

donjohnson: I corrected my post above, sorry for confusing you. 



Youre fine...half the time Im so confused when Im asking questions I cant even explain what Im asking properly

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