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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 12:13AM
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Just got into a dispute about Minamo, School at Water's Edge  stopping an attacking legendary creature. Situation I attack with an legendary creature and tap it while declaration. My Opponent "responds" and untaps it claiming its not attacking and i cant declare it again as attacker. In my opinion this is what happens: I declare attacker and tap, evtl pass my opponent thinks to use minamo to untap my attacker Nothing says my creature is not anymore attacking, so its just an untap'd attacker and I say thx its true that i cant declare it again as attacker, since that step has passed. Am I right?
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 12:14AM
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Jan 24, 2011
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1) You can't activate abilities while declaring attackers.
2) Untapping creatures does not remove them from combat.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 12:16AM
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Nov 10, 2012
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You are correct. There is nothing in the rules saying an attacking creature must stay tapped, nor that untapping removes it from combat.
As I recall, there used to be such a rule, but that was a long time ago.
Similarly, if you tap one of his blocking creatures, you are still blocked, and that creature still deals and is dealt damage.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 12:21AM
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As I recall, there used to be such a rule, but that was a long time ago.
No, there never was.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 12:46AM
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As I recall, there used to be such a rule, but that was a long time ago.
No, there never was.
There was a rule that tapped blockers dealt no damage though, right  ? Maybe that's what he's thinking of.
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Hi everyone,I have two questions.
1. If my opponent already controlled a planewalker , then he cast avacyn,angle of hope  ,and resolved on battlefield.Now his planewalker in indestructible right?
[c]Avacyn, Angel of Hope[/c] -> Avacyn, Angel of Hope 
No need to be so obtuse, maybe he's just trying to complement her. That's not too radical of a concept, I mean she is pretty acute, right?.
This right here should be a bannable offense :p
No, not an outright banning, that's too easy. He should be punished ...
... by degrees.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 4:14AM
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There is nothing in the rules saying an attacking creature must stay tapped, nor that untapping removes it from combat.
in fact there's a rule that says just the opposite
506.4b Tapping or untapping a creature that’s already been declared as an attacker or blocker doesn’t remove it from combat and doesn’t prevent its combat damage.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 6:09AM
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There is nothing in the rules saying an attacking creature must stay tapped, nor that untapping removes it from combat.
in fact there's a rule that says just the opposite
506.4b Tapping or untapping a creature that’s already been declared as an attacker or blocker doesn’t remove it from combat and doesn’t prevent its combat damage.
Although there doesn't need to be. That is what we sometimes call a "reminder rule" around here, by analogy with reminder text. The rules would work the same even if it wasn't there. It just spells out a (to some people) non-obvious consequence of the other rules, or in this case the absence of certain other rules some people expect to see, mostly so there's something a little more concrete to refer people to who ask questions like this.
(2Goth of course knows this, this is directed more at the OP.)
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 6:40AM
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As I recall, there used to be such a rule, but that was a long time ago.
No, there never was.
There was a rule that tapped blockers dealt no damage though, right ? Maybe that's what he's thinking of.
That sounds more like it.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:36AM
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Isn't this contradictory though. If the rules state that tapping or untapping declared attackers/blockers do not stop them from attacking/blocking, then how does the Master of Arms ability (see link above) do any good to tap target creature blocking it. Now I am confused by that.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:38AM
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how does the Master of Arms ability (see link above) do any good to tap target creature blocking it.
It generally doesn't do any good.
It used to though. Over a decade ago, there was a rule that tapped blockers don't deal damage. This rule hasn't been around for a long time, so master of arms is no longer as useful.
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