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7 months ago  ::  Dec 16, 2012 - 10:24AM #1
philvt101
Date Joined: Oct 14, 2008
Posts: 60
I've got a couple of questions about Undead Alchemist .

Number one: If a creature with Undying is destroyed without a +1/+1 counter on it while Undead Alchemist is in play, does it get exiled and a zombie token put in play, or does it return to the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it?
(My guess is it depends on who is the active player)

Number two: If Undead Alchemist and another creature are destroyed at the same time, does Undead Alchemist 's ability still trigger?
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 16, 2012 - 10:29AM #2
will_dice
Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009
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Dec 16, 2012 -- 10:24AM, philvt101 wrote:

I've got a couple of questions about Undead Alchemist .



Undead Alchemist's last ability triggers when a creature card goes opponent's library -> opponent's graveyard. It doesn't work on creatures on the battlefield being destroyed. Both of your questions are wrong from the start, sorry.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 16, 2012 - 10:50AM #3
philvt101
Date Joined: Oct 14, 2008
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Wow, what was I thinking? Sorry.
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 16, 2012 - 9:11PM #4
SSpidey86
Date Joined: Sep 11, 2009
Posts: 102
@will_dice, isn't a creature also a creature card except that it's in play? When a creature dies the creature card is put into the graveyard right?
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 16, 2012 - 9:46PM #5
Glimmereyes
Date Joined: Jul 16, 2008
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Dec 16, 2012 -- 9:11PM, SSpidey86 wrote:

@will_dice, isn't a creature also a creature card except that it's in play? When a creature dies the creature card is put into the graveyard right?




Creature Permanent is the full term for a creature on the battlefield.

108.2a In the text of spells or abilities, the term “card” is used only to refer to a card that’s not on the battlefield or on the stack, such as a creature card in a player’s hand. For more information, see section 4, “Zones.”




Even if the term Creature Card could refer to a creature on the battlefield, the Alchemist specifically states it the card needs to move from the Library to the Graveyard.  A change to either the origin or the destination would cause the Alchemist to not trigger.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 17, 2012 - 3:29AM #6
will_dice
Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009
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Dec 16, 2012 -- 9:11PM, SSpidey86 wrote:

@will_dice, isn't a creature also a creature card except that it's in play? When a creature dies the creature card is put into the graveyard right?




Yes, the creature is put on the graveyard from the battlefield (what you're calling "in play").


Now, read the card again. The last ability says "Whenever a creature card is put into an opponent's graveyard from his or her library, exile that card...". It works only if it's moving from the library to the graveyard.

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