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6 months ago  ::  Dec 14, 2012 - 9:50AM #11
Wynzerman
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Dec 14, 2012 -- 5:40AM, Jman22 wrote:

Dec 14, 2012 -- 3:48AM, Wynzerman wrote:

I have mixed feelings about it.
-On one hand, It's fantastic that standard is such a lax format that allows you to play just about anything that isn't just outright bad, and some things that are.
-On the other, if dumb mythic decks are competitively viable, where are the checks that normally keep them in place? I'm pretty sure that Rewind is one of the better counters, and if Rewind and Dissipate aren't good enough to prevent stupid combos then what are we to expect? Maybe a fair unfair format could be fun?

A couple of months ago I pointed out that I disliked the Bant Control lists because they won "by virtue of being bigger than everybody else", and this seems like the logical extreme of that train of thought.




Point 1) Welcome to the original Ravnica metagame.
Point 2) Obviously counters would be good against these giant derp decks, but WotC doesn't like counterspells.

And winning by virture of being bigger than everybody else is the essence of a control deck. Trying to get why you act like its special. 




Probably because it's about shoving Thragtusk down your opponent's throat and drawing off of Sphinx's Revelation . It's just that threat dense- removal light doesn't feel "right" when playing control lists. I've never been opposed about control lists caring about the combat step, but I do rather revile sitting on threats as a means of playing defensively.



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6 months ago  ::  Dec 14, 2012 - 2:06PM #12
Eonblueapocalypse1
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Dec 14, 2012 -- 8:22AM, Xylovenious wrote:

That's one of those decks that is totally overwhelming when it works, but is horrible when it doesn't. I've lost a lot of game ones against it where I didn't see it coming until too late, but it seems very manageable once I know what to expect. I've been running GW aggro variations (mostly humans) with mixed success for a few weeks now. I'm going to try out a ramp deck tonight that includes a copy of Omniscience , though I'm not sure that it's necessary. My thought process was that so long as I have Gilded Lotus and Somberwald Sage as sources for the triple blue plus some card draw, why not throw in a copy?





Somberwald Sage doesn't work with Omniscience . It's not a creature.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 15, 2012 - 7:26AM #13
Jman22
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Dec 14, 2012 -- 9:50AM, Wynzerman wrote:



Probably because it's about shoving Thragtusk down your opponent's throat and drawing off of Sphinx's Revelation . It's just that threat dense- removal light doesn't feel "right" when playing control lists. I've never been opposed about control lists caring about the combat step, but I do rather revile sitting on threats as a means of playing defensively.




Stop look at Thragtusk as a threat, and start looking at it as a wall that can become an attacker.

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 12:57PM #14
Xylovenious
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Dec 14, 2012 -- 2:06PM, Eonblueapocalypse1 wrote:


Dec 14, 2012 --  8:22AM, Xylovenious wrote:

That's one of those decks that is totally overwhelming when it works, but is horrible when it doesn't. I've lost a lot of game ones against it where I didn't see it coming until too late, but it seems very manageable once I know what to expect. I've been running GW aggro variations (mostly humans) with mixed success for a few weeks now. I'm going to try out a ramp deck tonight that includes a copy of     Omniscience                                , though I'm not sure that it's necessary. My thought process was that so long as I have     Gilded Lotus                                and     Somberwald Sage                                as sources for the triple blue plus some card draw, why not throw in a copy?





    Somberwald Sage                                doesn't work with     Omniscience                                . It's not a creature.


I figured that out when I went to play the deck, midgame unfortunately.  I hadn't used the Sage before.

I moved Guilded Lotus to the sideboard to bring in for match-ups where my mana dorks are in trouble and limited deck to G/W.  So, Omniscience wasn't even a consideration anymore.  However, I am very pleased with the deck as it ended up.  I think I've found my niche until Gatecrash comes out.

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2012 - 8:46PM #15
Jman22
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Dec 18, 2012 -- 12:57PM, Xylovenious wrote:



I figured that out when I went to play the deck, midgame unfortunately. I hadn't used the Sage before. I moved Guilded Lotus to the sideboard to bring in for match-ups where my mana dorks are in trouble and limited deck to G/W. So, Omniscience wasn't even a consideration anymore. However, I am very pleased with the deck as it ended up. I think I've found my niche until Gatecrash comes out.




I know that feel about the Sage. Inability to read is one of my biggest pitfalls.
However, Omniscience is still something to consider. Peopel still play it a lot. Just play Ranger's Path and Farseek.

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