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7 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 4:38PM
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Hi, I've been searching in the forum before asking this, and I couldn't find something what erase my question.
If I draw my first card a miracle with Anvil of Bogardan  , assuming I know the miracle goes to your hand even if you decide to play it or not. What should I resolve first? Discarding the cart for the anvil's ability? or the miracle?
And what happens If I chose to play the miracle and pay for it, but I also chose discard it for the Anvil?
And what happens if that miracle drawn with the anvil is Reforge the Soul  ? How many cards will I end in hand? Thanx! (sorry for my grammar)
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7 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 4:44PM
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it is very hard for Anvil of Bogardan 's draw to be the first of the turn (because the Turn Based Action of drawing a card happens before the Anvil triggers), but let's assume you somehow managed it if you want to use the Miracle you have to reveal it before it touches any other cards in your hand this will trigger the Miracle, but the trigger will wait until Anvil of Bogardan finished resolving before the trigger is put on the stack
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7 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 4:46PM
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If I draw my first card a miracle with Anvil of Bogardan , assuming I know the miracle goes to your hand even if you decide to play it or not. What should I resolve first? Discarding the cart for the anvil's ability? or the miracle?
Anvil finishes resolving before you do anything else: you must discard first.
And what happens If I chose to play the miracle and pay for it, but I also chose discard it for the Anvil?
If you discard it for Anvil, you won't be able to cast it.
And what happens if that miracle drawn with the anvil is Reforge the Soul ? How many cards will I end in hand?
Seven.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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7 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 4:52PM
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Anvil of Bogardan 's only important part is the discard really since the extra card you draw shouldn't be your first card drawn that turn (and not be eligible for miracle cost because of this). Since you should have drawn the original draw card before drawing again for the anvil's effect you would want to reveal it before even drawing the second card, though you would actually have to discard for the anvil's effect before you could play the miracle cost. You can not choose to both discard it and play it, you can only do one or the other. If your miracle card is Reforge the Soul you will have seven cards after you play it since the discard for the altar will happen before your miracle cast even goes on the stack. This is because it is a sorcery and can only be played during your main phase whereas the altar's ability occurs during your draw phase. Well that, and that you can't do anything in between the draw and discard parts of a draw/discard effect.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 5:39PM
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This is because it is a sorcery and can only be played during your main phase whereas the altar's ability occurs during your draw phase.
This isn't quite true. When you reveal the card for miracle, miracle's triggered ability will trigger and shortly later will go on the stack . When that ability resolves it gives you the ability to cast that spell even outside the normal timing restrictions.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 7:46PM
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The normal turn draw could be replaced with something like words of wind  . The Oracle text on the anvil says: "Players have no maximum hand size. At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player draws an additional card, then discards a card."
So that trigger goes onto the stack after the normal draw or before and resolves after?
If the Normal draw is first and it's a Reforge the Soul that gets miracled will anvil's draw and discard happen before or after the Reforge resolves?
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7 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 7:51PM
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the turn based action of a step is always the first thing that happens, only after that triggers that trigger "At the beginning of ... step" trigger
so you get the normal draw, then the triggers are put on the stack, and then they resolve
since Miracle and the Anvil trigger at (roughly) the same time you decide if you want to cast the Miracle before or after the Anvil
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7 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 5:06AM
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This isn't quite true. When you reveal the card for miracle, miracle's triggered ability will trigger and shortly later will go on the stack . When that ability resolves it gives you the ability to cast that spell even outside the normal timing restrictions.
I guess I was unclear on how miracle worked then. I thought you simply had to reveal it to show it was your first card drawn this turn, and then you could cast it for the miracle cost at any legal point before the current turn ended. Looking at the wording though, the way you stated it makes a lot more sense, and the rules back that up too.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 7:42AM
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From Avacyn Restored FAQ: You cast the card with miracle during the resolution of the triggered ability. Ignore any timing restrictions based on the card's type.
You can cast a card for its miracle cost only as the miracle triggered ability resolves. If you don't want to cast it at that time (...), you won't be able to cast it later for the miracle cost.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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