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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 5:55PM
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Demonic Rising  Archwing Dragon  Rakdos Keyrune  Its my understanding that I can arrange the triggers from Demonic Rising and Archwing Dragon so that I'll get a Demon token at the end of my turn if I choose to resolve Rising's trigger first... (please correct me if I'm mistaken) So, what if I have Demonic Rising and Rakdos Keyrune on the battlefield, I cast Archwing Dragon, activate the Keyrune and attack with both. At the end of my turn, can I arrange the triggers in a way that I'll still get a Demon token or is this not possible? Please explain in detail, thanks :D
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 5:58PM
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that's not possible because this is a special corner case Demonic Rising has what is called an "intervening if-clause", which means it will not even trigger if the condition in the clause is not true so it will not trigger at the end step and then count the creatures on resolution, it will count the creatures when deciding to trigger as well since at that time you control 2 creatures (the Keyrune and the Dragon), it will not trigger
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 6:00PM
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But it works on the first scenario?
I mean, if I only had the Dragon -even though its leaving at the beginning of the end step- I do get a demon don't I?
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 6:05PM
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right, in that case, yes, if you stack correctly I was too focused on the second scenario that I overlooked the first one 
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 6:06PM
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thank you
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 6:40PM
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Another question: If I have 2 Demonic Rising in the battlefield and I control exactly 1 creature by the end of my turn, how many tokens do I get?
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 6:41PM
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One, unless you lose a creature before the second trigger resolves.
The intervening if clause checks twice, first when it triggers and second when the trigger resolves. If it's false during the first instance the trigger doesn't trigger, if it's false when the trigger resolves, it's removed from the stack.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 6:42PM
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with Archwing Dragon and 2 Demonic Rising you can stack it so that you will get 2 demons stack it: Rising Dragon Rising
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7 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 6:50PM
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with Archwing Dragon and 2 Demonic Rising you can stack it so that you will get 2 demons
stack it:
Rising
Dragon
Rising
Niceee!!! thank you both xD
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