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6 months ago ::
Dec 10, 2012 - 9:45PM
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I think this is an easy question, but I want to make sure I don't embarass myself this FNM. If I have Geist of Saint Traft  on the battlefield and declare him as an attacker, then I can copy the Angel token with either Cackling Counterpart  or Rootborn Defenses  any time during the combat phase and have that copy come in untapped and remain as a permanent after the end of combat, right? The first Angel token would be exiled, of course.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 10, 2012 - 9:51PM
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That is correct. You can can copy the token. The copy will enter the battlefield untapped and not attacking. Only the original token will be exiled.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 4:46AM
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Oct 29, 2007
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note: if there was a Parallel Lives  out, both angel tokens entering tapped and attacking would be exiled, but both tokens created by Counterpart or populate would not.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:26AM
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Follow up question : With Parallel Lives , the second token created by the Geist is not forced to attack the same thing as the first token, right ?
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6 months ago ::
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:27AM
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right, it can attack something else
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6 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 4:37AM
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right, it can attack something else
Weird. It seems to me like both of the tokens should have to be attacking the same target as the geist since they never attack, they are just attacking. I thought you declared targets when you attacked and all.
Though I guess if it's in the rulings :
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You declare which player or planeswalker the token is attacking as you put it onto the battlefield. It doesn't have to be the same player or planeswalker Geist of Saint Traft is attacking. |
Then I guess it must just be that way.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 12, 2012 - 5:38AM
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508.4. If a creature is put onto the battlefield attacking, its controller chooses which defending player or which planeswalker a defending player controls it’s attacking as it enters the battlefield (unless the effect that put it onto the battlefield specifies what it’s attacking). Such creatures are “attacking” but, for the purposes of trigger events and effects, they never “attacked.”
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