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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 10:32AM #1
N_i_g_h_t_m_a_r_e
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I recently cracked my third and final version of Jace planeswalker ( Jace, Memory Adept , Jace, Architect of Thought , Jace, the Mind Sculptor ) and in doing so decided to incorporate all three versions into an EDH build.  I chose for my general, [card]Alexi, Zephyr Mage[card] and am attempting to build a deck strategy focused on drawing cards, mass bounce and an eventual mill-out of the opponent via Jace effects and cards like Traumatize.  Any suggestions? I have a deck built but I'm looking for other angles and ideas I've not yet thought of...
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 10:49AM #2
malpheas
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2006
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Why not use the first Jace?

Just use lots of control and shuffle. 
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 11:02AM #3
Portalis
Date Joined: May 31, 2005
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yep missing Jace Beleren  
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 11:19AM #4
ChazA4
Date Joined: Jun 26, 2010
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I can assure you of this...milling is not a very viable strategy against many decks.  There are a lot more decks than you think that LOVE having their cards in the graveyard, either because it makes some cards ridiculously powerful(thus, you're feeding your doom), or because it makes it easy to cherry pick what they want( this guy , for one example).  That being the case, you want a LOT of graveyard hate, and I'm not sure how much mono blue has, which means you will have to go to artifacts.  Relic of Progenitus is a decent start, Brittle Effigy for the creatures that feed on GYs...I'm not sure about many others.  Alexi does seem to provide some help by temporarily removing stuff from the GY, but the temporary part is an issue.

For bouncing, try and find as many cards as you can that don't use the word target.  For Alexi, one general with boots or shoes , and you could be in serious trouble.  One stellar example that you should have in your deck: Cyclonic Rift Devastation Tide is another great one, miracle or no miracle.  If you use stuff like Unsummon , I'd recommend putting it on a cast-stick .  A good body to use would also be something like Time Elemental .

Card draw...well, you're in blue.  If you have trouble coming up with card draw, something's wrong.:D  But I would recommend this; use spells that say Target Player draws ___ cards.  That way, if you've got them down to their last few cards, to prevent any last minute saves, you can just cast something like Inspiration and force them into a loss.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 1:28PM #5
N_i_g_h_t_m_a_r_e
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Baby Jace is in there, I somehow thought I had Mind Sculptor in there but I don't own that one after all. (And not likely going to pony up that much $ for it either.) I am planning on running a slew of grave hate artifacts Tormod's Crypt, Relic, Scrabbling Claws, etc. So totally on board with ya there. I do have the Stick in there as well with a few oddballs like Pongify so I can bounce the token away and kill the creat more permanently. Also have Evacuation , Wash Out as no-target bounce. I'd run Upheaval but it would screw me over too bad...
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 2:55PM #6
lechgame
Date Joined: Aug 18, 2007
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Mill is fun and easy, especially if you make it UB instead of straight blue( Nemesis of Reason , Mind Funeral ). The big problems I have are the number of players I run across that have Elixir of Immortality and the two legal legendary Eldrazi to shuffle graveyards, and often other little things that keep the library halfway protected. Mass milling is hard with the graveyard stuff the opponents can do. If you can stomach losing your own cards, Planar Void is good, as is the always wonderful Leyline of the Void to help keep recursion out. Making the opponents draw is good too, if you can limit what they do with all their cards, such as using Prosperity , Forced Fruition , and Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur .

Good luck though!
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 09, 2012 - 4:14AM #7
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I've always been a big supporter of oona mill decks, going heavy blue allows u to expliot artifact mana doublers like caged sun , gauntlet of power and extraplanar lens with a very light splash with black allows for all blacks gy hate namely the aforementioned leyline of the void, and nihil spellbomb
 
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 09, 2012 - 7:46AM #8
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This is the deck as it currently sits. It is too large to be legal and a bit high on the mana curve. Any suggestions what to cut? Anything obvious I really should add?


Spell Burst ßhard counter


Syncopate ß Hard counter


Power Sink ß hard counter


Condescend ß hard counter


Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur ßgo-to for shapeshifter to wipe hand


Stormtide Leviathan ßgo-to for shapeshifter to soft-lock attack


Arcanis the Omnipotent ßdraw combo with Alexi to keep plenty of cards


Aboshan, Cephalid Emperor ßdefensive


Guile

Aethersnipe ßreturn


Balance of Power <-draw engine="" p="">


Azami, Lady of Scrolls ßdraw engine


Devastation Tide ßedh bounce


Scalpelexis ßflight protection, mill


Psychic Spiral ßmajor mill card to feed on my own mill/’reminisce’ my own grave


Riptide Shapeshifter ßtutor to board or hand control


Parallel Thoughts ßtutor


Gush ßdo I need this draw?


Aeon Chronicler ß mass card draw house, draw engine


Riftwing Cloudskate ßbounce, flight protection


Mulldrifter ßdraw


Jace, Memory Adept ßdraw/mill engine


Traumatize ßmajor mill


Evacuation ßmass and EDH bounce


Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir ßanticounter/control


Alexi, Zephyr Mage ßEDH COMMANDER, Bounce board control.


Controvert ßre-usable counterspell


Last Word ßuncounterable hard counter


Statecraft ßcreature stall


Jace, Architect of Thought


Wash Out ßmass bounce EDH bounce


Heartseeker ßon site EDH killer


Icy Manipulator ßcontrol


Propaganda ßattack stall


Jace's Archivist ßdraw/discard engine


Compulsive Research ßdraw/discard


Reality Acid ßdestruction of difficult permanent


Daring Apprentice ßcounter dork


Spiketail Drakeling ßcounter dork


Quicksilver Fountain ßboard stall/control


Fabricate ßtutor for stick, greaves, various artifacts on cue


Drift of Phantasms ßblocker but mainly a transmute tutor


Cancel ß hard counter


Repulse ß Bouncing cantrip


Ambassador Laquatus ßmill engine


Jace Beleren ßdraw/mill engine


Man-o'-War ßbounce dork


Vexing Sphinx ßdraw/mill flying fattie


Sands of Delirium ß mill engine


Wipe Away ßunstoppable bounce


Withdraw ßbounce (stick viable)


Wall of Tears ßBlocker/bounce


Wall of Deceit ßblocker/morph/attacker


Fathom Seer ßDraw dork


Isochron Scepter ßbounce/counter/creat nerf on a stick


Counterspell ßhard counter isochron target


Lightning Greaves EDH protector

Cyclonic Rift Isochron target, EDH bouncer

Ovinize ßcreat nerf/isochron target


Mind Stone ßmana accel/draw


Elixir of Immortality ßself de-mill/life stall


Mark of Eviction ßbounce… possibly irrelevant after EDH hits


Seal of Removal ßOn site edh bounce


Mana Chains ßslower creat kill, possibly irrelevant


Pongify ß creat nerf, stick target


Relic of Progenitus ßgrave hate en masse


Scrabbling Claws ßgrave hate small scale with target


Ancestral Vision ßdraw


Library of Leng ßdiscard savior/hand size enabler


Ivory Tower ß hand size life converter/stall


Jace's Phantasm ß mill-enabled flying fatty


Lotus Petal ß Mana accel


Chrome Mox ß Mana accel


32x Island


Rogue's Passage ßtank or edh attack enabler


Terrain Generator ßland drop accel


Reliquary Tower ßhand size enabler


Lonely Sandbar ßland pass to draw.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 09, 2012 - 9:43AM #9
N_i_g_h_t_m_a_r_e
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Sorry to ramble, but I had thought about cutting a couple of the 4+ CC hard counterspells for some faster soft counters, "comes into play" effect hate, or focused creature counterspells. Probably will cut mana chains and Mark of Eviction too. Sound like a good idea or not?
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