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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 12:30AM #1
Kura-san
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I'm a bit embarrassed to ask this now, but I'm a bit confused on the aspect of calling a deck mono-colored. For example, say I have a "mono-white" deck constructed of only White cards and Colorless cards. At the same time, I have Vault of the Archangel in it, and lands like Isolated Chapel but no swamps. Does this deck still count as mono-white?

Please and thanks in advance. 
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 12:37AM #2
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Yeah for the most part. Since the lands are colorless. However, some could argue that it is White with a touch of black, but don't listen to them .
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 1:22AM #3
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Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:30AM, Kura-san wrote:

I'm a bit embarrassed to ask this now, but I'm a bit confused on the aspect of calling a deck mono-colored. For example, say I have a "mono-white" deck constructed of only White cards and Colorless cards. At the same time, I have Vault of the Archangel in it, and lands like Isolated Chapel but no swamps. Does this deck still count as mono-white?

Please and thanks in advance. 





The only time someone might care is if you were playing the commander format. It does count as a mono-white deck though. Really the deckbuilder can define it. For example some deckbuilders were using gitaxian probe , gut shot , and other phyrexian mana spells they could cast by paying the colored mana. They called it 5 color even though they only could produce 3 colors of mana.

Deckbuilder's decision on what to call it IMO.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 10:23AM #4
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Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:37AM, Thrull_Champion wrote:

Yeah for the most part. Since the lands are colorless. However, some could argue that it is White with a touch of black, but don't listen to them .




That logic, of course, means that my Doran, the Siege Tower deck from Lorwyn-Alara Standard is red . And I regularly splashed for Dismember , Porcelain Legionnaire , and Vault Skirge when they were Standard-legal.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 12:29PM #5
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I feel like mono-color is a designation that should be given to decks that only intend to use cards and abilities of one color and/or only produce mana of one color. My Merfolk deck is mono-blue but I have Dismember and Leyline of the void in the sideboard. These are black cards but I have no black mana sources, so it's really not even a splashing sort of situation. The majority of the time these cards may as well be blue because I never intend to use black mana to cast them.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 12:38PM #6
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Dec 8, 2012 -- 10:23AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:37AM, Thrull_Champion wrote:

Yeah for the most part. Since the lands are colorless. However, some could argue that it is White with a touch of black, but don't listen to them .




That logic, of course, means that my Doran, the Siege Tower deck from Lorwyn-Alara Standard is red . And I regularly splashed for Dismember , Porcelain Legionnaire , and Vault Skirge when they were Standard-legal.





Thanks for proving my point

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 7:34PM #7
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 10:16PM #8
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In my opinion, a deck's color/colors is the mana it produces. Thus, a deck that makes black mana for Vault of the Archangel is splashing black, even though it is not playing black cards. On the other hand, a BR zombie pod deck with no green sources is not a green deck, even if Birthing Pod is a green card. Things get more complicated with cards like Birds of Paradise , as one may have the capability to create a cortain type of mana, even if that option is rarely used. On the whole, I believe mana production determines the color of a deck.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 09, 2012 - 5:52AM #9
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Dec 8, 2012 -- 10:23AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:37AM, Thrull_Champion wrote:

Yeah for the most part. Since the lands are colorless. However, some could argue that it is White with a touch of black, but don't listen to them .




That logic, of course, means that my Doran, the Siege Tower deck from Lorwyn-Alara Standard is red .




I do not think that follows.

His deck is splash-black because it includes an card effect he plans to use that requires black mana (a card he would not include if not for that effect),  and lands whose only benefit relative to his maincolor basic is the added production of Black.
 
Yes, Marisi's Twinclaws' EDH color identity includes red.  But it doesn't follow that your deck is red for the same reason his is black.  Every card in your deck can do exactly what it is planned to do without you ever drawing or spending a red mana.  That is not true of his deck and black - there are cards deliberately included to produce black mana and a card deliberately included to use it.  That makes it a splash black.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 09, 2012 - 8:23AM #10
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If a deck that doesn't produce or use Red mana is Red because Marisi's Twinclaws could have been paid for using Red mana, does that mean every deck that uses generic mana is a five-colour deck? Surprised
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