It's true. This thread was a terrible idea and it will end only in tears.
I hope.
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Also, I have that picture because my one friend happened upon it at random and, quote: "IMMEDIATELY thought of [me]." So... I basically have the same reputation in real life as I do on these boards.
It's true. This thread was a terrible idea and it will end only in tears.I hope.< 3
It's true. This thread was a terrible idea and it will end only in tears.
I hope.
< 3<
Also, I have that picture because my one friend happened upon it at random and, quote: "IMMEDIATELY thought of [me]." So... I basically have the same reputation in real life as I do on these boards.
For some reason, knowing you are the same person in real life as you are here is comforting to me. You aren't one of the fake celebrities, you keep it real.
On Fanservice (Legitimate thoughts): I feel that it gets a bad rep. Yes, it's lowest-common-denominator. Yes, it's a little degrading, usually to women. But, I do feel that it is harmless, and it is a way to release some of the more negative thoughts on things that are not real, so we hopefully are less likely to carry tehm with us into an actual social environment.
If you like it, fine, there's plenty to go around. If it offends you, fine. You are justified in disliking it, and it's easy enough to avoid, for the most part.
On Fanservice (Random Failed attempt at humor): Heh heh, Look at the size of his CHESTPLATES, heh.
For some reason, knowing you are the same person in real life as you are here is comforting to me. You aren't one of the fake celebrities, you keep it real.On Fanservice (Legitimate thoughts): I feel that it gets a bad rep. Yes, it's lowest-common-
Dammit, isaic, stop turning this into a sensible conversation!
...Although to some extent I suppose I can agree with that. I'm more bothered by the inequality of fanservice than it's mere existence, if that makes sense. Like, female fanservice in Magic bothers me a lot less because... well, Magic has sexy vampires now. :P And usually fanservice is used in a context that makes in-world sense (again, see the sexy vampires, or siren cards).
By the same token, it doesn't bother me to see a character like Harley Quinn drawn in contorted poses, because she's got a circus performer aesthetic. Same with someone like Nightwing. It's more annoying when it's someone like Wonder Woman, who is conceptually much closer to someone like Superman in that their strength comes from being unstoppable, unmoving forces of sheer dominance. Stylization isn't bad in and of itself, but I think a lot of comic artists ignore what it does for the narrative. And that's my visual communication ramble for the day. :P
Random Art History Sidenote: it occurs to me that Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman are all very Art Deco characters, or possibly Futurist--they're a dynamic mix of speed, force, and strong lines. Batman's rogues gallery, though, is more Aubrey Beardsley or German Secession--phantasmagoric, fluid, and weird. I wonder if you can divide all Superhero characters into Deco or Nouveau categories... >_>
Dammit, isaic, stop turning this into a sensible conversation!...Although to some extent I suppose I can agree with that. I'm more bothered by the inequality of fanservice than it's mere existence, if that makes sense. Like, female fanservice in Magi
Keeper, I understood approximately none of that. :I TEEEEEEACH MEEEEEEE
Incedentally, fanservice is awesome. Boobs are fantastic and Wotc is aware of this. I have no problem with fanservice, so long as its even handed (ie; for every cheesecake, they should draw a beefcake, etc)
I think the biggest problem with fanservice is the difference in typical gender roles in typical fantasy, which creative does a remarkable job of subverting and averting for the most part, but Magic is still a high fantasy RP and many of its players might come into this franchise from another, less progressive IP and not 'get it'.
Also, I want a lady that's ripped like She-Hulk. A counterpart to Garruk, if you will. None of this guys smash, girls shoot crap.
Keeper, I understood approximately none of that. :ITEEEEEEACH MEEEEEEEIncedentally, fanservice is awesome.Boobs are fantastic and Wotc is aware of this.I have no problem with fanservice, so long as its even handed (ie; for every cheesecake, they shou
Random Art History Sidenote: it occurs to me that Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman are all very Art Deco characters, or possibly Futurist--they're a dynamic mix of speed, force, and strong lines. Batman's rogues gallery, though, is more Aubrey Beardsley or German Secession--phantasmagoric, fluid, and weird. I wonder if you can divide all Superhero characters into Deco or Nouveau categories... >_>
I'm not sure what this means, but I'm guessing it happened because Batman fought mostly gangsters until Seduction of the Innocent. Most of his villains were invented in the 50s/60s and heavily influenced by his tv show. Superman's villains were invented or massively retooled after Crisis, so late 80s. The less said about Wonder Woman's history, the better.
I'm not sure what this means, but I'm guessing it happened because Batman fought mostly gangsters until Seduction of the Innocent. :shakefist: Most of his villains were invented in the 50s/60s and heavily influenced by his tv show. Superman's villain
As I typed that I thought to myself, "You know, no one is going to have any idea what I'm talking about... >_>"
The idea is that Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Batman... a lot of those heroes strike me as fundamentally being about FORCE and POWER--which I tend to associate with Art Deco:
Note that even when figures are in unusual poses they are usually simple poses made up of simple shapes--big sweeping arcs and circles, straight lines of dynamic force, and so on.
I feel like Deco beauty is less about sensuality and more about stateliness, authority, glamorousness. So, fanservice doesn't make so much sense with characters that have a Deco spirit (which isn't to say they should be drawn in the Deco style, just that they have a similar kind of inner soul if that makes any sense at all).
Art Nouveau artists like Aubrey Beardsley:
or Egon Schielle:
It's hard to find suitable Schiele work because a lot of it is straight up pornographic... look it up sometime, though, the man is an absolute genius.
or Gustav Klimt:
are more about strangeness, sensuality, acrobatics, distorted impossible poses, and the erotic. So, they're more what I would associate with characters like Batwoman, the Joker and Harley Quinn, weird magic using heroes, Sandman... people like that. Again, not that they share a style (although J H Williams III's take on Batwoman uses Nouveau stylings to great effect) but that they share a kind of inner driving spirit that makes eroticism and fanservice more reasonable, I think.
This might just make sense only in my head though. :P
As I typed that I thought to myself, "You know, no one is going to have any idea what I'm talking about... >_>"The idea is that Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Batman... a lot of those heroes strike me as fundamentally being about FORCE and POWER-
1) I don't mind attractive persons, in attractive outfits, posing attractively. This does not (necessarily) means fanservice. At least to me it doesn't. The problem happens when a female knight is fighting a troll in nothing but a chain bikini. The same situation with a barbarian woman in a fur bikini makes a lot more sense. Similarly, I have a problem with sexy Iron Man cosplay (if it's not wearing a full-body metal suit, the idea of protecting your body with a metal suit is gone), but I probably wouldn't mind sexy Thor cosplay as much.
2) This does not mean that fanservice should be more or less equally divided along genders and tastes.
3) I more or less understood the art history lecture (yay, me!). Could it also be that we like our heroes somewhat detached from emotion (emotion is traditionally seen as a weakness which causes failure), while villains can have a greater emotional range. I don't know my art-styles, but Deco seems to prefer (philosophically speaking) the classical idea of a mens sana in corpore sano, where the body and mind are in tune and in control of the wielder, whereas the Nouveau is a much wilder style, where mind and body can both be muddled and, for lack of a better word, drunk.
4) I don't ship Tamiyo and Jace, but that was funny.
5) Keeper, I imagine you as Jack Harkness, if he was a librarian/professor.
1) I don't mind attractive persons, in attractive outfits, posing attractively. This does not (necessarily) means fanservice. At least to me it doesn't. The problem happens when a female knight is fighting a troll in nothing but a chain bikini. The s
4) I don't ship Tamiyo and Jace, but that was funny.
I'm just disappointed because Jace managed to get his spell to go off. Also, it was part white... which just seems wrong.
5) Keeper, I imagine you as Jack Harkness, if he was a librarian/professor.
Very similar to my vision of him. Except he's in a skirt and only about half as dreamy as John Barrowman. >siiiiiiiiiiiigh< John Barrowman.
I'm just disappointed because Jace managed to get his spell to go off. Also, it was part white... which just seems wrong.Very similar to my vision of him. Except he's in a skirt and only about half as dreamy as John Barrowman. >siiiiiiiiiiiigh< John
Wizards could do fan service more. How about just ask them to release a special edition X card set that contains fan-service arts of playable cards.
Chandra Ablaze in short shorts and a tied up flannel shirt showing off her midriff while she's using her fire magic to grill some meat.
Liliana Vess is in the buff laying down on top of a creature. Shadows hide her naughty areas. A zombie is serving her drinks.
Wizards could do fan service more. How about just ask them to release a special edition X card set that contains fan-service arts of playable cards. Chandra Ablaze in short shorts and a tied up flannel shirt showin
John Barrowman is on the short list of people I'd switch teams for. So Sexy.
Is it wrong that I like Women in full plate more than in chainmail Binkis?
John Barrowman is on the short list of people I'd switch teams for. So Sexy. Is it wrong that I like Women in full plate more than in chainmail Binkis?
Alright here's my thoughts: Fansevice doesn't have to be demeaning or cater to "the lowest common denomiator". If it's handled well fanservice can actually say something positive about the character. Spoiler:Show
See that? That's sexy, but not objectified in any way. Emily Caroll does fanservice right.
I'm okay with fanservicey characters as long as the way the fanservice comes across doesn't contrast with what the character is about or the position they're in. Can you imagine Elspeth posing seductively in lingerie? That would be... odd. I would go so far as to say that would be so jarring that the WTF would overide the sexiness and the whole thing would fall flat. Lili on the other hand could totally pull it off and stay in character. Even Lili has to stay in line with the puposeof the art though. Barely concealing her naughty bits while she summons a zombie? That's the "lowest common denominator route" right there. Posing seductively while trying to get information out of someone? That works for me.
For some reason artists have a lot less trouble doing fanservice for male characters without objectifying them. Maybe it's a cultural thing or maybe it more of a marketing one. Perhaps the attention grabbing, cash making power of T&A has no real male equivalent. I... I swear I was going somewhere with this.
Well that's just my thoughts on the subject.
Alright here's my thoughts:Fansevice doesn't have to be demeaning or cater to "the lowest common denomiator". If it's handled well fanservice can actually say something positive about the character. Spoiler:
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See that? That's sexy, but no
Wizards could do fan service more. How about just ask them to release a special edition X card set that contains fan-service arts of playable cards. Chandra Ablaze in short shorts and a tied up flannel shirt showing off her midriff while she's using her fire magic to grill some meat. Liliana Vess is in the buff laying down on top of a creature. Shadows hide her naughty areas. A zombie is serving her drinks.
That would a bad style of fan service. You're basically just turning them into sex objects at the expense of character. It's the same sort of thing as Earthbind . I think good fan service would be something like Deadly Allure without the snake and with some better lighting. Or if we took Keeper's knight and showed her mid/post fight with one or two strategic rips in her chainmail, so that she's showing a bit of skin while at the same time the fight is believable. You don't even need to make it overt, just a bit of exposed back or stomach.
That would a bad style of fan service. You're basically just turning them into sex objects at the expense of character. It's the same sort of thing as Earthbind . I think good fan service would be something like
I'm not sure what this means, but I'm guessing it happened because Batman fought mostly gangsters until Seduction of the Innocent. Most of his villains were invented in the 50s/60s and heavily influenced by his tv show. Superman's villains were invented or massively retooled after Crisis, so late 80s. The less said about Wonder Woman's history, the better.
Why should Wizards do it when the internet does it for them?
So, no exceptions?
Anyway, fanservice isn't so bad when it's done right. Sadly, most of the time, it isn't. And of course, an Auriok or Vulshok man dresses that way because it's easy to make, and good for a world with five suns. The women? Well, bikinis aren't easy to make, TBH. The "fur bikini" of a primitive is a Hollywood invention.
But I like the S&M amazon...So, no exceptions?Anyway, fanservice isn't so bad when it's done right. Sadly, most of the time, it isn't. And of course, an Auriok or Vulshok man dresses that way because it's easy to make, and good for a world with five
The Planeswalkers and Legends could be drawn in a more modern day fashion like they are models. Jace is dressed like a success in Wall Street.
Begone!
And don't darken this threshold ever again.
Actually, I can see fan art of that looking really cool...
I think he ment Wizards doing that.
Begone!And don't darken this threshold ever again. [/quote]Actually, I can see fan art of that looking really cool...[/quote]I think he ment Wizards doing that.
Wikipedia is Wikipedia. But I still say I wouldn't see the point of wearing a bikini made out of fur. Just sayin, it sounds like it would be too hot and too cold at the same time.
Wikipedia begs to differ.[/quote]Wikipedia is Wikipedia. But I still say I wouldn't see the point of wearing a bikini made out of fur. Just sayin, it sounds like it would be too hot and too cold at the same time.
Wikipedia is Wikipedia. But I still say I wouldn't see the point of wearing a bikini made out of fur. Just sayin, it sounds like it would be too hot and too cold at the same time.
Of course, our ancestors had all they needed to make silk bikinis.
Wikipedia begs to differ.[/quote]Wikipedia is Wikipedia. But I still say I wouldn't see the point of wearing a bikini made out of fur. Just sayin, it sounds like it would be too hot and too cold at the same time.[/quote]Of course, our ancestors had a
..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />I have no problem with fanservice, so long as its even handed (ie; for every cheesecake, they should draw a beefcake, etc)
THIS should be the gospel truth right here.
I am becoming less incensed with MtG at the moment because at least even though it's still much of a Cleavage-fest there have been lots of random changes here and there (e.g. the art departments intent to cater to the otherside of the fanservice spectrum, ridiculous armor for men, handsome-faced men...).
..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />For some reason artists have a lot less trouble doing fanservice for male characters without objectifying them. Maybe it's a cultural thing or maybe it more of a marketing one. Perhaps the attention grabbing, cash making power of T&A has no real male equivalent. I... I swear I was going somewhere with this.
Well that's just my thoughts on the subject.
My headcanon is T&A = Guns and Bulge
To each his/her own okay!? I started following MarvelNOW!'s Thor: God of Thunder because of the gorgeous art and the redesign of Thor showing more GUNS.
And I notice that many of the female comic followers can be succeptible to Guns and Bulge/Torso... although most of them end up shipping 2 men instead of focusing on one guy. :P
I MISSED A THREAD ABOUT FANSERVICE!? WHY I OUGHTA.... :banghead:THIS should be the gospel truth right here. I am becoming less incensed with MtG at the moment because at least even though it's still much of a Cleavage-fest there have been lots of ran
The Planeswalkers and Legends could be drawn in a more modern day fashion like they are models. Jace is dressed like a success in Wall Street.
Maybe something like that could happen in an Un set. I always thought they should reprint old staples with goofy art in those things. A nice wrath of god with a picture of a hand descending from heaven about to flick some poor dude away...
Maybe something like that could happen in an Un set. I always thought they should reprint old staples with goofy art in those things. A nice wrath of god with a picture of a hand descending from heaven about to flick some poor dude away...
..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />For some reason artists have a lot less trouble doing fanservice for male characters without objectifying them. Maybe it's a cultural thing or maybe it more of a marketing one. Perhaps the attention grabbing, cash making power of T&A has no real male equivalent. I... I swear I was going somewhere with this.
Well that's just my thoughts on the subject.
I think there are a couple of factors to this.
First: As most fantasy artists are male, any "beefcake" is generally an Ideal Man, as seen by a man. It is an idealized self, which is empowering. "Cheesecake" is different in that it's an Ideal Woman, as seen by a man, not as seen by a woman. That takes it dangerously close to objectifying from the start, because men and women have different opinions of what's important in the representation of a woman.
Second: Men as a whole seem to have a much narrower view of the Ideal Woman than women as a whole have of the Ideal Man. For any given image you could see 9/10 men who agree that a female image is attractive, but only 5 out of 10 women would agree that a male image is attractive. (Random numbers I made up, not meant to be a real representation of views.)
(This is all my personal take on the subject, I'm hardly a sociologist.)
I think there are a couple of factors to this. First: As most fantasy artists are male, any "beefcake" is generally an Ideal Man, as seen by a man. It is an idealized self, which is empowering. "Cheesecake" is different in that it's an Ideal Woman, a
I dunno. I've definitely been with girls who were into huge t's. Like Prawnstar huge. All scarred up and stuff. So, yeah, there's that. Not that I'm saying all girls are like that, but that there is definitely some overlap in tastes. I'm sure there are dudes who don't like t's. They are probably pedophiles. That is all.
I dunno. I've definitely been with girls who were into huge t's. Like Prawnstar huge. All scarred up and stuff. So, yeah, there's that. Not that I'm saying all girls are like that, but that there is definitely some overlap in tastes. I'm sure there a
The Planeswalkers and Legends could be drawn in a more modern day fashion like they are models. Jace is dressed like a success in Wall Street.
Maybe something like that could happen in an Un set. I always thought they should reprint old staples with goofy art in those things. A nice wrath of god with a picture of a hand descending from heaven about to flick some poor dude away...
We already have a depiction of Bolas in a pimp suit... all Wizards has to do is declare Steve Argyle's sketches canon and we're good to go! :P
@Thrull Champion:
You know, I wouldn't be totally opposed to that, even. I mean, Magic can exist in any and all eras. I've never really gotten the whole "modern technology breaks immersion!" thing, honestly. Maybe I just have a higher tolerance for anachronism.
Besides, I feel like modern high fashion and Magic outfit designs aren't really that different to begin with. :P
@Moppi:
Out of curiosity, do you think a lot of female fans tend toward really muscular guys? I'm more into the sort of leanly-muscular, almost Bishonen guys, like Rakish Heir , so I'm curious about whether the muscle thing has widespread appeal.
...And now I'm just imagining me as Janet Weiss and you as Frank N Furter... "I don't like men with too many muscles." "I didn't make him for YOU! >"
I would ask my girlfriend for her opinion but I think the kind of guy she goes for is more like... Erdwal Ripper . >_> I love her, but she can be rather... unsettling at times.
Maybe something like that could happen in an Un set. I always thought they should reprint old staples with goofy art in those things. A nice wrath of god with a picture of a hand descending from heaven about to flick some poor dude away...[/quote]We
Speaking of beefcake; Moppi, this doing anything for you? It's the new GP promo, btw
I would hazard a guess that their market research suggests that some part of the audience digs the beefcake. Why else would Kresh receive such a lovingly detailed happy trail? Spoiler:Show
Speaking of beefcake;Moppi, this doing anything for you? It's the new GP promo, btw I would hazard a guess that their market research suggests that some part of the audience digs the beefcake.Why else would Kresh
Out of curiosity, do you think a lot of female fans tend toward really muscular guys? I'm more into the sort of leanly-muscular, almost Bishonen guys, like Rakish Heir , so I'm curious about whether the muscle thing has widespread appeal.
...And now I'm just imagining me as Janet Weiss and you as Frank N Furter... "I don't like men with too many muscles." "I didn't make him for YOU! >"
I would ask my girlfriend for her opinion but I think the kind of guy she goes for is more like... Erdwal Ripper . >_> I love her, but she can be rather... unsettling at times.
I say not by a super large margin, the reactions range from WANT to "Too Muscle-y". But the sight of a half naked man is I think more universal when it comes to the females me thinks (I'm a gay guy so I cannot 100% certify or something).
I'd go for Rakish Heir type bodies too (oooh the London 2012 Men's Swimming competition = GOLD MINE!) but I'd prefer they not be extremely too feminine in the face.
Speaking of beefcake; Moppi, this doing anything for you?
It's the new GP promo, btw
Am I going to be bonked if I say that it does? The combination of facial hair + ripped body always gets to me. Talk about a nice follow up to the amazingness that is original art Frost Titan .
I would hazard a guess that their market research suggests that some part of the audience digs the beefcake. Why else would Kresh receive such a lovingly detailed happy trail? Spoiler:Show
I dunno, because it feels wrong for him to be so smooth? XD But I don't even think that it's 100% decided by the one commissioned but more brought on by Steve Argyle. (But I would be elated if it's the other way around).
True, as much as he can get my eyebrows raising for his straight-directed fanservice I love the fact that he's open and commits to doing stuff like this and does not budge in doing it.
I say not by a super large margin, the reactions range from WANT to "Too Muscle-y". But the sight of a half naked man is I think more universal when it comes to the females me thinks (I'm a gay guy so I cannot 100% certify or something).I'd go for
@moppi so preety much the Bara kind right? I'm happy the new Gideon has better art well aside from the first card he had which made him look like a monkey im glad they are making him more handsomer.
@moppi so preety much the Bara kind right?I'm happy the new Gideon has better art well aside from the first card he had which made him look like a monkey im glad they are making him more handsomer.
To an extent, I don't get gay male aesthetics, like the emphasis on body hair or lack thereof. Maybe it's because I'm straight and not hairy at all.
Wow. Somehow I got it into my head YEARS ago that you were a girl. 0_o Whoops. The internet is confusing.[/quote] Cobra Trap ?To an extent, I don't get gay male aesthetics, like the emphasis on body hair or lack ther
Poet Laureate and First Son of Mars, Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw Benjamin Franklin
I am 100% certain that Benjamin Franklin said that.
"Fans are clingy complaining dip****s who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices the happier you will be for it."Poet Laureate and First Son of Mars, Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw Benja
You started a joke thread about Karn's manboobs that turned into an 8 page behemoth about whether or not Magic has the appropriate amount of sexiness.
"Man, that elf got some big ass titties" Defeater of the Mongoloid Hordes and Father of the Chokeslam, Abraham "Mo' bitches" Lincoln
ACTUALLY IT IS YOU *holds up mirror* *You are Lincoln, and always have been*
You started a joke thread about Karn's manboobs that turned into an 8 page behemoth about whether or not Magic has the appropriate amount of sexiness."Man, that elf got some big ass titties"Defeater of the Mongoloid Hordes and Father of the Chokeslam
So hairlessthoctar is a pony that's into bugs? Yah, sorry but I don't see any fanservice for you in the future. There are just to many microdemographics for WOTC to effectively cater to them all.
So hairlessthoctar is a pony that's into bugs?Yah, sorry but I don't see any fanservice for you in the future. There are just to many microdemographics for WOTC to effectively cater to them all.
I want to see a Red burn spell that depicts a Goblin having a firecracker go off in his butt crack as part of a pratical joke by the other Goblins.
I want to see an Artifact Equipment that is the equivilant of a World Championship Belt. It should be Legendary.
I would like to see more of the kind of fan service like Essence Vortex does.
I want to see a Red burn spell that depicts a Goblin having a firecracker go off in his butt crack as part of a pratical joke by the other Goblins. I want to see an Artifact Equipment that is the equivilant of a World Championship Belt. It should be
I like how threads here that start out as jokes have this sort of bell curve thing going on where they gradually gain seriousness and then collapse back into absurdity.
How can I escape the fetishization...WHEN IT IS ALREADY HERE?!I like how threads here that start out as jokes have this sort of bell curve thing going on where they gradually gain seriousness and then collapse back into absurdity.
I like how threads here that start out as jokes have this sort of bell curve thing going on where they gradually gain seriousness and then collapse back into absurdity.
I like to think it's directly proportional to my participation.
I like to think it's directly proportional to my participation.
I like how threads here that start out as jokes have this sort of bell curve thing going on where they gradually gain seriousness and then collapse back into absurdity.
I like to think it's directly proportional to my participation.
I'll need to see a chart before we can start this level of ego stroking. Which may or may not also be a fetish.
I like to think it's directly proportional to my participation.[/quote]I'll need to see a chart before we can start this level of ego stroking. Which may or may not also be a fetish.
Hitler is a saint because he's responsible for killing Hitler.
@Keeper Only the L and E are supposed to be blacked out in Lord English text. #TheMoreYouKnow
Hitler is a saint because he's responsible for killing Hitler.@KeeperOnly the L and E are supposed to be blacked out in Lord English text.#TheMoreYouKnow
@moppi so preety much the Bara kind right? I'm happy the new Gideon has better art well aside from the first card he had which made him look like a monkey im glad they are making him more handsomer.
My thoughts exactly... that image would've been awesomesauce if not for Radiant 2.0 being on the background.
To an extent, I don't get gay male aesthetics, like the emphasis on body hair or lack thereof. Maybe it's because I'm straight and not hairy at all.
The LGBT flag pretty much defines us quite well, I am but one color representative and most of the other members might have different tastes for their own gender preference.
This is like one of the rare threads that wasn't met with automatic serious missiles upon take off. Let's rejo- BOOM
My thoughts exactly... that image would've been awesomesauce if not for Radiant 2.0 being on the background.Wow. Somehow I got it into my head YEARS ago that you were a girl. 0_o Whoops. The internet is confusing.[/quote]I get that a lot lolz, my ear
This needs to live, if only so I can store up insanity for summoning Shub-Niggurath on the solstice
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser!
The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.
At least he didn't eat one of your guests. I told him, "This is the buffet, everything on that table there is food for the guests". Later he ate somebody and tried to play stupid. Yog-Jerkface is more like it.
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser![/quote]The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.[/quote]At least he didn't eat one of your guests. I told him, "This is the buffet, everything on that tabl
This needs to live, if only so I can store up insanity for summoning Shub-Niggurath on the solstice
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser!
The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.
Proving that that particular type of anime is an American invention.
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser![/quote]The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.[/quote]Proving that that particular type of anime is an American invention.
This needs to live, if only so I can store up insanity for summoning Shub-Niggurath on the solstice
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser!
The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.
Knowing Whatley, I assume this was...
...Eh, there's no tasteful way to end that joke. But it could have funny. I'll go disappear now.
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser![/quote]The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.[/quote]Knowing Whatley, I assume this was......Eh, there's no tasteful way to end that joke. But it could
This needs to live, if only so I can store up insanity for summoning Shub-Niggurath on the solstice
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser!
The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.
Proving that that particular type of anime is an American invention.
Maybe I shouldn't but I'll bite. What the heck are you even getting at?
Yog-Sothoth was here. Shub-Niggurath is a loser![/quote]The last time anyone invited Yog-Sothoth to a party, he got that Whatley girl pregnant.[/quote]Proving that that particular type of anime is an American invention.[/quote]Maybe I shouldn't but I
Falconer is, however, not strictly correct, and I feel that even if the statement was meant in jest, it's important to set the record straight. Tentacle-based erotic art in Japan dates back at least to the Edo period, when it appeared in lavishly detailed woodblock prints in the Ukiyo-e, or floating world, style. They can be understood within this context of fantastic, eroticized artwork that represented an escape from the typical into the imaginative. I believe even this was not the origin of human-octopus relations in the Japanese art of the fantastic, however--if I'm remembering correctly artists like Hiroshige who experimented with the trope were drawing upon even older folk traditions.
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...Oh god I'm basically Perverted Art Historian Kankri, aren't I? Troll Jegus save us all.
Falconer is, however, not strictly correct, and I feel that even if the statement was meant in jest, it's important to set the record straight. Tentacle-based erotic art in Japan dates back at least to the Edo period, when it appeared in lavishly det
While Keeper is correct about tentacle-porn in Japan dates so far back its popularisation in modern times stems from japanese censorship laws. For anything porn related to be sold in Japan the genitalia has to be censored. Back in the day many artists worked around this by replacing the penis with something phallic shaped and someone came up with the idea of using a tentacle as a substitute. And thus tentacle porn in its modern incarnation was born.
Well that is atleast the basic gist of it. I may have gotten some details wrong.
Huh, my first post here in a while and its about tentacle porn. ...I love these forums.
While Keeper is correct about tentacle-porn in Japan dates so far back its popularisation in modern times stems from japanese censorship laws. For anything porn related to be sold in Japan the genitalia has to be censored. Back in the day many artist
The notes given to Igor Kieryluk for the art of Induce Despair :
Color: Black instant
Location: anywhere, possibly semi-dark
Action: Show imminent tentacle rape
Focus: the act
Mood: IMMINENT RAPE
Notes: extra points for Rapist POV
If it was anything other than this I'll eat my hat.
The notes given to Igor Kieryluk for the art of Induce Despair : Color: Black instant Location: anywhere, possibly semi-dark Action: Show imminent tentacle rape Focus: the act Mood: IMMINENT RAPE N
Most of his villains were invented in the 50s/60s and heavily influenced by his tv show. Superman's villains were invented or massively retooled after Crisis, so late 80s. The less said about Wonder Woman's history, the better. 
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The combination of facial hair + ripped body always gets to me. Talk about a nice follow up to the amazingness that is original art 
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