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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 12:48AM #1
HonorBasquiat
Date Joined: Feb 28, 2012
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Before you say that Ajani Bounty is undercosted, keep in mind that every life gain cost that only gives you life sucks (even Heroes' Reunion ). Because types of cards only do one thing, they should maybe actually be costed aggressively. 

Ajani's Wisdom 1w
Instant [u]
You gain 5 life. Draw a card.
Ajani offered life and knowledge. 

Ajani's Gift 3ww
Sorcery [R]
You gain 20 life.
Ajani Goldmane rewarded his best soldiers with the greatest gift of all.

Cornucopia of Life 6www
Sorcery [MR]
Target player's life total becomes 50. 
A great bounty of life provides virtual immortality.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 12:56AM #2
cats_and_me
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I like the last card, that ability surprised me! But even though Angel's Mercy is completely underpowered, you shouldn't replace the number seven with the number twenty.. As for your first card, the bad thing about life-gain is that you have to waste cards, and here you don't have to waste one card because it replaces itself with another card.. It's probably reasonable as three-mana card, but only if you come up with a more restrictive mana cost, some additional white or green mana symbols would help..
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 1:32AM #3
3-7-15-1-292
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Hey HonorBasquiat, I feel a kinship for this idea, I had a thread on the same topic once and made some prettly similar cards. I think a good place to start is to find the playable lifegain cards. I know of at least two: Martyr of Sands and Gnaw to the Bone . Note how this card introduces additional restrictions, by forcing you to play a mono white deck to get full value, or to mill yourself to shreds. In proper conditions, such as Modern Soul Sisters, Martyr gains an average of 12 life for 2 mana. However, even that would not be enough on its own, if it didn't fit into a major combo of the deck, gain 12 life + Serra Ascendant . Gnaw to the Bone also gains a ton of life for three mana, and also would not be playable without its combo of self-mill with flashback.
The reason that cards of the type you just posted can't be printed is that life-gain, while never printed at levels good enough to maindeck, also can't be printed at levels good enough to sideboard against aggro, as a hate card broad enough to wipe out all aggro decks in the format, like Ajani's Wisdom, would be tremendously unfun. The best card of this sort ever printed is Renewed Faith , and I don't think the draw option could be pushed up to more than three life without damaging the viability of aggro. As for Ajani's Gift, against most aggro decks, it might as well say "3WW: You win." Obviously, unprintable. I think where lifegain is now is about right, personally. I for one have lost a limited match to a pain of sideboarded Hero's Reunion s when my Rakdos Aggro deck stalled out after my opponent played them, and that's where I think we want a card like that to be.

For reference, here is that thread I mentioned:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
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Starting with you, each player may pay any amount of life. If any player paid life, repeat this process.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 4:00AM #4
HonorBasquiat
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Well I understand where you are coming from cats_and_me but I just don't agree, not only is Angel's Mercy a TERRIBLE card, but it costs less to cast than Ajani's Gift and is not a rare.

I don't see Ajani's Gift being overpowered or shutting down aggro. And frankly, I don't see a problem with lifegain being a problem for aggro, it should be. Leyline of Punishment against lifegain decks says "You win." and Sorin Markov's minus ability against lifegain decks says "You basically win." These cards still exist however, and people have been beating Soul Sisters without them. 

Looking at your thread is intersting 3-7-15-1-292, but I feel Helping Hand and Lifesaver are a little too good. 
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 4:05AM #5
cats_and_me
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I would have to agree that it's a very unfair and game-warping card against most aggressive decks, it's much worse than your harmless examples.. Sorin Markov + Leyline Of Punishment allow interaction and you're able to destroy them, and they're only strong against very few deck types anyway, unless your second card above..
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 4:11AM #6
HonorBasquiat
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Dec 5, 2012 -- 4:05AM, cats_and_me wrote:

I would have to agree that it's a very unfair and game-warping card against most aggressive decks, it's much worse than your harmless examples.. Sorin Markov + Leyline Of Punishment allow interaction and you're able to destroy them, and they're only strong against very few deck types anyway, unless your second card above..


Leyline of Punishment is far far more damaging against a lifegain deck than Ajani's Gift is against an aggro deck.

If the game starts with Leyline of Punishment, and you don't play enchantment removal within the first 2 turns or so, It will be impossible to win.

Ajani's Gift is just a bandage that's a temporary fix, that easily could have been another card. If I'm up against a 6/6, I could play Ajani's gift and that buys me 3 turns, or I could have just played Path To Exile.

I mean, I see where your coming from, but I really don't see why we have to defend aggro when it's doing fine. And I really don't see any of these cards breaking the game or strongly altering the meta.  

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Swag Flu (Mono Black Infect) http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29788619/Swag_Flu_(Mono_Black_Infect)
American Super Friends (White/Blue/Red Planeswalker Control) http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29772319/American_Super_Friends_(Budget_WhiteBlueRed_Planeswalker_Control)
Hong Kong (White/Red Norin Tokens)http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29636557/Hong_Kong_(WhiteRed_Norin_Tokens)
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 4:21AM #7
cats_and_me
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Leyline Of Punishment is supposed to be effective against ~very~ few deck types, but we're talking about many different aggressive decks here and not about few life-gain decks or slower decks that are playing 6/6 creatures later in the game.. And life-gain decks just won't gain life anymore, but Kitchen Finks remains a three-mana 3/2 creature with persist and many other cards that do something else than simply having you gain life are still working properly..
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 8:47AM #8
bay_falconer
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Dec 5, 2012 -- 4:05AM, cats_and_me wrote:

I would have to agree that it's a very unfair and game-warping card against most aggressive decks, it's much worse than your harmless examples.. Sorin Markov + Leyline Of Punishment allow interaction and you're able to destroy them, and they're only strong against very few deck types anyway, unless your second card above..




A cantrip is the only way to do a pure lifegain card, TBH. But doing so warps the format against most aggressive decks (infect and "turn 1 Memory Jar you lose" being the obvious exceptions)

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 9:33AM #9
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Dec 5, 2012 -- 12:48AM, HonorBasquiat wrote:

Cornucopia of Life 
Sorcery [MR]
Target player's life total becomes 50. 
A great bounty of life provides virtual immortality.



Cool combo with Test of Endurance !


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6 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 12:43PM #10
infinitemana
Date Joined: Dec 4, 2012
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Id suggest combing the last 2, so it would read:

3WW

Sorcery

Target players life total becomes 20 
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