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6 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2012 - 8:13PM #1
MicMTG
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2009
Posts: 107
I cast a Brain Freeze with 17 storm triggers causing an opponent to mill their entire library; however, they have Emrakul, the Aeons Torn in their deck, which, after all the cards are put into the graveyard, would shuffle the entire graveyard back into his/her library, thus negating the Brain Freeze .

Does Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 's triggered ability go on the stack? If so, can I cast a Ravenous Trap in response to exile the library (including Emrakul) and win?

Also, could I cast a Surgical Extraction in response to get ride of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn ? And would the shuffle graveyard into library thing still resolve?

Thanks!
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2012 - 8:17PM #2
Strago_Magus
Date Joined: Oct 9, 2009
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Emrakul's ability is not a mana ability, therefore it goes on the stack, and players get priority before the trigger resolves.  You may cast spells in response to the trigger to remove Emrakul from the graveyard.  However, Emrakul's ability will still resolve, and its owner will still shuffle their graveyard into their library, even if Emrakul doesn't get shuffled in with it.

Also, you don't win if your opponent has an empty library.  You only win if your opponent has to draw a card and can't.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2012 - 8:17PM #3
Kenjiblade
Date Joined: May 6, 2011
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1. Its triggered ability goes on the stack and you can respond to it, just like any other triggered ability.  So, the play you described is fine.

2. You can do something that just exiles Emrakul from the graveyard, but the rest of the graveyard will still be shuffled into their library. 
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2012 - 8:18PM #4
Enigma256
Date Joined: Jul 28, 2010
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yes, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn does use the stack
you can use Ravenous Trap in response to it, but that is unlikely to cause a win (players don't lose if they have an empty library, only if they try to draw from an empty library)
if you use Surgical Extraction in response to the trigger the rest of the graveyard will still be shuffled into the library
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2012 - 8:19PM #5
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Autocard only works if you put in the full name of the card spell the name of the card correctly (hint: apostrophes have nothing to do with pluralization).

Each instance of Brain Freeze goes on the stack separately and resolves separately. Emmie's triggered ability (which, yes, does use the stack) will not wait for all the Storm copies to resolve, it will go on the stack right after the copy of Brain Freeze that mills it and resolve, reshuffling the library, between two of the Brain Freeze copies (unless the one that mills it happens to be the last one). Note that this might happen more than once.

Ravenous Trap and Surgical Extraction can both be used to remove Emrakul; however, in the case of Surgical Extraction, this does nothing to prevent its ability from resolving. (Technically neither does Ravenous Trap, but in that case there'll be nothing to shuffle back in.) Removing the source of an ability does not counter or otherwise mess with the ability.

In none of these scenarios will you win until (at the soonest) your opponent actually tries to draw a card from an empty library.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 29, 2012 - 8:23PM #6
MicMTG
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2009
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Okay. Thanks for clearing things up!
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