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6 months ago ::
Nov 29, 2012 - 2:29PM
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Bah. It's not important that the cards in a   are specifically Rakdos. What's important is that they embody the aggressive strategy that Rakdos embodies. And these RB builds certainly do, at least from what I've seen of them. My friend who considers himself a Rakdos player is perfectly happy with the decks that exist, even if cards with the actual Guild watermark aren't that prominent at the moment.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 29, 2012 - 3:12PM
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Somehow you're complaining about overload in a set with unleash as a mechanic. Unleash is simple and fits the rakdos guild mentality. They tried to do some interesting things with the mechanic like with chaos imps  but really there is no reason to complain about overload. It fits very well and it's an interesting mechanic that makes the game more fun. There are some that are playable and some that are not constructed playable but I don't see it as being a problem with the mechanic.
Don't be too smart to have fun
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6 months ago ::
Nov 29, 2012 - 6:22PM
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Since there is so much negativity in this thread,I'll be positive and say I really love the Izzet mechanic. Yes, it may not be the most powerfull mech from a competitive point of view, but it is still quite good once couppled with goblin electromancer  , and allows for flexibility, which is a big deal in a red deck. That and I can't help but chuckle at overload every time, it is just so darn flavourful and fits the "we are not sure what we are doing, but it's going to be spectacular!" flavour of mad scientists perfectly! That, and most overload cards are potental game-enders if they actually go off. Thing is, you can put in 4 searing spear  or 4 flame wave  , but with Mizzium mortars  you get both cards. Also, you refer to flame slash  but unless I am totally wrong, that card is no longer available in standard. Most spells have been getting "worse" during recent years, with focus shifting to creatures, so you also need to consider the spells within the various formats, rather than judge cards purely on their modern and legacy value.  Izzet. Even if I am an Azorious 
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6 months ago ::
Nov 29, 2012 - 6:24PM
#64
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proud member of the 2011 community team
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6 months ago ::
Nov 29, 2012 - 7:28PM
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Overload is a bad mechanic? Given the option of more pressure is a bad thing now? Bah. It's not important that the cards in a are specifically Rakdos. What's important is that they embody the aggressive strategy that Rakdos embodies. And these RB builds certainly do, at least from what I've seen of them.
So that means an aggressive Innistrad Vampire, or a Black+Red Splash Zombie deck from Innistrad was really a Rakdos deck all along on account of being BR?
No. Auto-association of a pair of colours with a single guild that uses them is ridiculous, when that colour combination has, and will continue to be used elsewhere. Being BR doesn't make a deck Rakdos, just as much as playing GR doesn't suddenly make a deck into Gruul.
Always right, 102% of the time.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 29, 2012 - 7:45PM
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Overload is a bad mechanic? Given the option of more pressure is a bad thing now?
Bah. It's not important that the cards in a are specifically Rakdos. What's important is that they embody the aggressive strategy that Rakdos embodies. And these RB builds certainly do, at least from what I've seen of them.
So that means an aggressive Innistrad Vampire, or a Black+Red Splash Zombie deck from Innistrad was really a Rakdos deck all along on account of being BR?
No. Auto-association of a pair of colours with a single guild that uses them is ridiculous, when that colour combination has, and will continue to be used elsewhere. Being BR doesn't make a deck Rakdos, just as much as playing GR doesn't suddenly make a deck into Gruul.
While I agree with you to a certain degree I would like to point out that the terms "jund" and "bant" have gone beyond their original world to include any deck in those colors (no matter how much I disagree). While modern "jund" decks still tend to use bloodbraid elf  , jund charm  , or maelstrom pulse  which were all cards from the shards of alara block, they also have standard jund decks which don't have any of those cards. Is it right to call all BRG decks "jund" decks? I don't think so but since it's universally adopted to do so then I have to realize that it's going to happen and just be understanding that when some people refer to "jund" they might be talking about ANY GRB decklist even if it doesn't include any "jund" cards.
The same has been true of the ravnica guilds in the past. To some people the word Rakdos merely means B/R.
Don't be too smart to have fun
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 6:03AM
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Izzet in RtR is a fail. having to play their cards in other decks ruins the whole reason guilds exist. So basically Izzet is a support guild for anything else that has blue or red so those decks can splash in the 2 izzet cards that don't suck.
Yay! what a win for Wizards and RtR.
Got any Mizziums Mortars? I'll give you $.50 a pop for them. That cards sucks.
That card does suck it's just good in the meta. Who is looking to grab them for a casual deck when you have acces to Lightning Bolt  and EarthQuake  ? No one.
Borrowing the East Wind  (P3) - Haha, it's like Hurricane  but for horsemanship? That makes hilariously little sense. "Oh man, the wind is so much worse up on this horse."
Jon Finkel can win a Magic tournament with a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean ham sandwiches are now the metagame breaker.
Koth: I'm the first viable red planeswalker. Who are you?
Tibalt: I'm a two-mana red planeswalker.
Koth: I'm the last viable red planeswalker.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 6:07AM
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Izzet in RtR is a fail. having to play their cards in other decks ruins the whole reason guilds exist. So basically Izzet is a support guild for anything else that has blue or red so those decks can splash in the 2 izzet cards that don't suck.
Yay! what a win for Wizards and RtR.
Got any Mizziums Mortars? I'll give you $.50 a pop for them. That cards sucks.
That card does suck it's just good in the meta. Who is looking to grab them for a casual deck when you have acces to Lightning Bolt and EarthQuake ? No one.
Earthquake only deals damage to non-fliers. Mizzium moarters deals damage to all creatures. MM is much better than EQ. In my opinion at least....
"You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. I always back up my arguements with facts and documented sources." - The Credible Hulk
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 6:22AM
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Izzet in RtR is a fail. having to play their cards in other decks ruins the whole reason guilds exist. So basically Izzet is a support guild for anything else that has blue or red so those decks can splash in the 2 izzet cards that don't suck.
Yay! what a win for Wizards and RtR.
Got any Mizziums Mortars? I'll give you $.50 a pop for them. That cards sucks.
That card does suck it's just good in the meta. Who is looking to grab them for a casual deck when you have acces to Lightning Bolt and EarthQuake ? No one.
Earthquake only deals damage to non-fliers. Mizzium moarters deals damage to all creatures. MM is much better than EQ. In my opinion at least....
MM is a worse flame slash, and flame slash isn't a great card. Overloaded it is good, but it isn't great. Starstorm  if you want to hit flying. My point is being modal is great, but when the loss of power is that large it just isn't worth it anymore, when the pool includes better alternatives.
My original point is that I don't feel being exlusive to permanents you don't control suits Izzet. Izzet go big, and typically destroy everything in the process, because they are power hungry and possibly slightly insane. If they made overload hit all permanents then they could cost it well down as well.
As a random aside. Mizzium Mortar  s is rated a 3.9 on gatherer, tied with Thragtusk  , lower than nearly every iteration of Storm Crow  , and lower then the 4.2 rating that Cyclonic Rift  has, which according to the boards is because it is the card defining standard right now, you should run it in every deck, and overloaded = automatic GG.
Borrowing the East Wind (P3) - Haha, it's like Hurricane but for horsemanship? That makes hilariously little sense. "Oh man, the wind is so much worse up on this horse."
Jon Finkel can win a Magic tournament with a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean ham sandwiches are now the metagame breaker.
Koth: I'm the first viable red planeswalker. Who are you?
Tibalt: I'm a two-mana red planeswalker.
Koth: I'm the last viable red planeswalker.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 30, 2012 - 6:59AM
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I'm glad some people actually agree with me that Mizzium Mortars is bad in big part because of overload.
Cyclonic rift isn't a bad card, but there are other cards with similar stall, control or bounce that have been better. Granted cyclonic rift gives you more flexibility, but 7 mana... ugh.
Blustersquall is a sleep, that allows the opponent to untap next turn. for the same mana. it's meh
Any of the overload cards that could have potential have a 5 mana cost or more. It's just mana hungry and too easily countered to be a good mechanic.
Lets compare "overload" to other guild mechanics.
Unleash is a choice, which powers up your creatures and costs no additional mana. While it has it's no blocking drawback, obviously, it works well for the aggressive nature of the guild. Not really sure how unleash has anything to do with circus cult Rakdos, but whatever.
Scavenge gives you an additional option on every card it's on, but again, doesn't feel like a necessity. If the spell gets countered, or insta-removed, you can still utilize the card.
Detain, well overload just doesn't compare, lol.
So while yes, overload isn't a bad mechanic(from a mechanics standpoint), it is bad in terms of one guild, Izzet or in the grand scheme of RtR.
I guess I just expect more from the guild of crazy mad scientists...
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