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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 7:24PM
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Why there are so few Legacy tournament being held?
Every week-end on this site they have event coverage of Magic tournaments but most of them are Standard, Modern and Limited (god I hate this format!). Are they trying to kill the format or what?
lol, standard...
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 7:37PM
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It's just relatively inaccessible, particularly because of the reserved list.
The cost of participating is really high.
Also, compare tournament attendance. Compare GP Atlanta (Legacy, 905 players) to GP Boston (Limited, 1847 players). People just show up to other formats much more.
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2. You pay billions of dollars in cards to win. If you like wasting money just to win one game, while you could have saved it to lose a few and end up winning more in the future, then it is fine by me.
what?
do you ceremonially light your deck on fire after a win?
Or did no one notice Transmogrifying Licid  before. (And by not notice, I mean covered their ears and shouted LA LA LA LA  )
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I think the most awkward situation at the moment is simply the Myr Welder / Equipment / Licid / Aura craziness, but I'm pretty sure he's aware of it.
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I don't think there are any cards like that.
There are things that prevent you from activating activated abilities, things that increase their cost, and things that counter them, but I don't think anything triggers from them specifically.
There are things that trigger from targeting, so that might be relevant, but I can't think of anything that triggers from targeting a player.
I'm almost positive there's nothing that triggers from damage being prevented.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 7:39PM
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Why there are so few Legacy tournament being held?
Every week-end on this site they have event coverage of Magic tournaments but most of them are Standard, Modern and Limited (god I hate this format!). Are they trying to kill the format or what?
WOTC heavily supports Standard because thats where they make their money. Most of the money in Legacy is in cards that are long out of print. Cards the WOTC hasnt directly profited from in years. Modern they make money off of when they reprint the staple cards.
Limited in particular gets a lot of support because its a card game designer's wet dream. A bunch of people pay you for packs of cards, open them up, and cant use those cards in any future limited tournament. Instead they buy more packs and repeat the process over again.
Legacy is largely supported by groups who profit off the secondary market like SCG rather than being directly pushed by WOTC. WOTC still supports it, they just dont have the same economic incentives that they do for Standard.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 7:44PM
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The cost of participating is really high.
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Honestly, the cost of playing Standard is substantially higher than any other format unless Magic is just a passing fancy and you arent going to keep playing for several years (with the exception of vintage decks including power 9). Its a format specifically designed to make you repeatedly buy more cards.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 8:05PM
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It's just relatively inaccessible, particularly because of the reserved list.
The cost of participating is really high.
Also, compare tournament attendance. Compare GP Atlanta (Legacy, 905 players) to GP Boston (Limited, 1847 players). People just show up to other formats much more.
I highly doubt that by having more Legacy tournaments it will dwindle the number of participant over Standard.
lol, standard...
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 8:07PM
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Why there are so few Legacy tournament being held?
Every week-end on this site they have event coverage of Magic tournaments but most of them are Standard, Modern and Limited (god I hate this format!). Are they trying to kill the format or what?
WOTC heavily supports Standard because thats where they make their money. Most of the money in Legacy is in cards that are long out of print. Cards the WOTC hasnt directly profited from in years. Modern they make money off of when they reprint the staple cards.
Limited in particular gets a lot of support because its a card game designer's wet dream. A bunch of people pay you for packs of cards, open them up, and cant use those cards in any future limited tournament. Instead they buy more packs and repeat the process over again.
Legacy is largely supported by groups who profit off the secondary market like SCG rather than being directly pushed by WOTC. WOTC still supports it, they just dont have the same economic incentives that they do for Standard.
So they are actually trying to kill Legacy slowly because it doesn't profits them.
lol, standard...
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 8:40PM
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Why there are so few Legacy tournament being held?
Every week-end on this site they have event coverage of Magic tournaments but most of them are Standard, Modern and Limited (god I hate this format!). Are they trying to kill the format or what?
WOTC heavily supports Standard because thats where they make their money. Most of the money in Legacy is in cards that are long out of print. Cards the WOTC hasnt directly profited from in years. Modern they make money off of when they reprint the staple cards.
Limited in particular gets a lot of support because its a card game designer's wet dream. A bunch of people pay you for packs of cards, open them up, and cant use those cards in any future limited tournament. Instead they buy more packs and repeat the process over again.
Legacy is largely supported by groups who profit off the secondary market like SCG rather than being directly pushed by WOTC. WOTC still supports it, they just dont have the same economic incentives that they do for Standard.
So they are actually trying to kill Legacy slowly because it doesn't profits them.
I wouldnt say that. They dont really gain anything from getting rid of it. They do make some money off it. They just dont have the same incentive to promote it heavily.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 9:25PM
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The cost of participating is really high.
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Honestly, the cost of playing Standard is substantially higher than any other format unless Magic is just a passing fancy and you arent going to keep playing for several years (with the exception of vintage decks including power 9). Its a format specifically designed to make you repeatedly buy more cards.
No, you're wrong. The initially investment to start playing standard is a lot lower than Legacy. This is just fact. Cost of entry is lower but cost to stay current is higher. So if you build a tier 1 legacy deck it might be relevant from 2-5 years. Obviously your Standard deck changes a lot and may be relevent for 3-4 weeks to 2 months if that. The reason why people can't play legacy as much because if I want to be competitive now I will have to invest maybe $2000 if I wanted to build a really good deck. Playing now is better than playing in the future and with some standard decks being only $100-200 and topping out around $500 it really isn't that bad.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 10:04PM
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According to MaRo, there a large, silent group of people who actually like the reserved list. These people are the ones killing Legacy. They threw a (silent) fit when Karn was reprinted in a From the Vault. I haven't heard their response to the oversized printings in Commander's Arsenal. Yes, while most of us complained that there were too few FtV and CAs, they thought there were too many.
Personally, I hate the reserved list. WotC abandoned it in 1999, with good reason.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 25, 2012 - 10:10PM
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On the subject of Standard vs. Legacy, I think it's important to note that a $20 standard deck can have meaningful interactions with a top tier Standard deck. There's nothing similar for Legacy, even if we up the cap to $100, and games with Charbelcher or such leave no room for meaningful interactions. WotC needs to hook players early with the feeling that they could have won if they were just a little better.
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