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7 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 5:27AM #21
Merestil_Haye
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Dec 11, 2012 -- 5:37PM, CadaverousBl00m wrote:

Yeah, I went to the Legacy pre-release, and remember people not being able to deck Memory Jar s if they pulled them.


You are misremembering.

Urza's Legacy was released in mid February 1999. Memory Jar was banned or restricted on April 1st 1999. It was legal in standard for maybe 6 weeks.

The ban was triggered by the card's results at GP Vienna in February 1999. Two players - Randy Buelher and (I think) Erilk Lauer - included it in their decks. They both made the top 8. This harbinger of things to come was spotted in time to announce the ban in accordance with their then timetable on March 1st for implementation a month later.

I was a floor judge at the London prerelease for Urza's Legacy, and there was no ban of Memory Jar in force.

The only card to be preemptively banned or restricted was Mind's Desire .

Three Nemesis cards got errata prior to their prerelease - search for cards with "Parallax" in their names.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 7:22AM #22
desolation_masticore
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Nov 25, 2012 -- 11:04AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Nov 25, 2012 -- 6:26AM, Pontiac wrote:

Rancor is far from the most op card.




It's not even the most OP card in the Urza block. Let's go by color, shall we?

: Replenish , Opalescence , Academy Rector
: Palinchron , Time Spiral , Peregrine Drake , Cloud of Faeries
: Yawgmoth's Will , Yawgmoth's Bargain , Exhume , Phyrexian Plaguelord
: Goblin Welder
: Argothian Elder , Elvish Piper , Greater Good
Artifacts: Masticore , Memory Jar
Lands: Serra's Sanctum , Tolarian Academy , Gaea's Cradle



Yay People love me. Seriously though, Masticore is no where near OP by todays standards, take away his draw back and he STILL wouldn't be that good.

Dec 20, 2010 -- 2:16PM, CommanderJim wrote:

Borrowing the East Wind (P3) - Haha, it's like Hurricane but for horsemanship? That makes hilariously little sense. "Oh man, the wind is so much worse up on this horse."


Jun 21, 2011 -- 1:22PM, MTGKaioshin wrote:

Jon Finkel can win a Magic tournament with a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean ham sandwiches are now the metagame breaker.


Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:33PM, bay_falconer wrote:


Koth: I'm the first viable red planeswalker. Who are you?
Tibalt: I'm a two-mana red planeswalker.
Koth: I'm the last viable red planeswalker.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 7:25AM #23
desolation_masticore
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Dec 11, 2012 -- 11:28AM, The-D wrote:

Yeah it really sucks when they play a Champion, then Rancor Champ 1, play Champ 2, or Mayor. I'm down to 16 or 17. Then Geist or Silverblade who can't attack. Silverblade still needs a guy to pair with, Rancor need a guy to go on. Idk, I just Wrath .



That's pretty much the problem though. Standard is mostly sorcery speed removal right now, which makes Silverblade really bomby, especially if he is dropping doublestrike on something that has a rancor on it.

Dec 20, 2010 -- 2:16PM, CommanderJim wrote:

Borrowing the East Wind (P3) - Haha, it's like Hurricane but for horsemanship? That makes hilariously little sense. "Oh man, the wind is so much worse up on this horse."


Jun 21, 2011 -- 1:22PM, MTGKaioshin wrote:

Jon Finkel can win a Magic tournament with a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean ham sandwiches are now the metagame breaker.


Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:33PM, bay_falconer wrote:


Koth: I'm the first viable red planeswalker. Who are you?
Tibalt: I'm a two-mana red planeswalker.
Koth: I'm the last viable red planeswalker.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 7:44AM #24
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Dec 13, 2012 -- 7:22AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

Yay People love me. Seriously though, Masticore is no where near OP by todays standards, take away his draw back and he STILL wouldn't be that good.




Take away his drawback, you say?

Dec 12, 2012 -- 10:53AM, RPJesus wrote:

Dec 11, 2012 -- 1:13PM, bay_falconer wrote:

( Tinker , by the way, is broken for the same reason. Hey, let me pop my 'thopter for a Masticore ?)



And really Tinker is even more ridic now that you can use it to fetch Tin-Can Hitman (Which don't get me wrong, not being like one of those scrubs who's all "INFECT IS OP," but I will admit it's a bit hard to come back from that on turn two or three).




Non-infect is OP as well.

But yeah, that's sort of a "card only good in EDH is broken when played with broken cards"-type thing. And Necropotence turns Healing Salve into Ancestral Recall ; it's not the Salve's fault.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 5:48PM #25
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Dec 13, 2012 -- 5:27AM, Merestil_Haye wrote:

Dec 11, 2012 -- 5:37PM, CadaverousBl00m wrote:

Yeah, I went to the Legacy pre-release, and remember people not being able to deck Memory Jar s if they pulled them.


You are misremembering.

Urza's Legacy was released in mid February 1999. Memory Jar was banned or restricted on April 1st 1999. It was legal in standard for maybe 6 weeks.

The ban was triggered by the card's results at GP Vienna in February 1999. Two players - Randy Buelher and (I think) Erilk Lauer - included it in their decks. They both made the top 8. This harbinger of things to come was spotted in time to announce the ban in accordance with their then timetable on March 1st for implementation a month later.

I was a floor judge at the London prerelease for Urza's Legacy, and there was no ban of Memory Jar in force.





Wow, it's amazing what 13 years and two kids (and the assosciated lack of sleep) does to the memory! Were there twitterings of the Jar's impending doom at pre-release time? Maybe that's what I remember...

Dec 13, 2012 -- 7:25AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

Dec 11, 2012 -- 11:28AM, The-D wrote:

Yeah it really sucks when they play a Champion, then Rancor Champ 1, play Champ 2, or Mayor. I'm down to 16 or 17. Then Geist or Silverblade who can't attack. Silverblade still needs a guy to pair with, Rancor need a guy to go on. Idk, I just Wrath .



That's pretty much the problem though. Standard is mostly sorcery speed removal right now, which makes Silverblade really bomby, especially if he is dropping doublestrike on something that has a rancor on it.




So, in other words, it's the 2012 version of Turn 2 Edge on Nip .

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 15, 2012 - 9:51PM #26
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Dec 13, 2012 -- 7:25AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

Dec 11, 2012 -- 11:28AM, The-D wrote:

Yeah it really sucks when they play a Champion, then Rancor Champ 1, play Champ 2, or Mayor. I'm down to 16 or 17. Then Geist or Silverblade who can't attack. Silverblade still needs a guy to pair with, Rancor need a guy to go on. Idk, I just Wrath .



That's pretty much the problem though. Standard is mostly sorcery speed removal right now, which makes Silverblade really bomby, especially if he is dropping doublestrike on something that has a rancor on it.



Well, thats what I do. And it works. I worry more about Rancor on Lotleth Troll s, Strangleroot Geist s, and Dreg Mangler . Haste, Undying, and Regenerate actually make a creature hard to deal with.

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