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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 1:16AM #1
POSValkir1
Date Joined: Oct 16, 2012
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Is it just me, or are Rancor and Silverblade Paladin the most OP cards of all time?

Seriously, coming back from a turn two Rancor is just an endless uphill battle, there's no argument there, just "Rancor...oh yeah, auto-include!"  How did this even make the final cut, one fing mana, absurd.

Silverblade you at least have a small chance against, especially since you have abrupt decay.  still, as soon as it hits the board your opponent has two options:  "Ok, I kill it and hope he doesnt have another."  or  "all my creatures die to his two mana 2 power creature, YEAH!"

How do these aut-include cards make it past R&D.  I read their articles were they whine about "Firemind's Foresight" made the game no fun because after it was played the game was over.  Now the card CAN be good, but is way too expensive to be useful in tourney play,  And yet, a one mana and three mana BOMB are ok to push ahead.

What happened to this game being about people who could see the value of cards and make solid decks.  Every other card these days is "oh yeah, that's 8 recurring damage for 3 mana, that goes in!"  The game no longer needs intelligence to play, just an internet connection and/or the ability to count to three.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 5:30AM #2
slodice
Date Joined: Apr 18, 2012
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You can destroy, exile, take control, bounce, sacrifice Silverblade Paladin . You can counter or exile Rancor , or remove it from the graveyard. You can do all of the above to the creature which Rancor targets (when It's still a spell) and it will not return to its owners hand. Yes, they are strong cards, but there's a reason they are expensive and rare (well rancor is uncommon, but still). I think you need to revise your deck and tactics a little if those 2 cards are giving you problems.

There are common creatures ( Blighted Agent ) which are more OP than your examples. But ofcourse this is more of an opinion than anything and it also heavely depends on the deck the cards are used in
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 6:26AM #3
Pontiac
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Rancor is far from the most op card.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 7:45AM #4
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Nov 25, 2012 -- 1:16AM, POSValkir1 wrote:

Is it just me, or are Rancor and Silverblade Paladin the most OP cards of all time?



I'm guessing you have never heard of the Power 9.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 9:00AM #5
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As Escef already nention the Power 9, I 'll list some other cards that are significantly more powerful;

Yawgmoth's Bargain
Yawgmoth's Will
Necropotence
Sol Ring
Scroll Rack
Demonic Tutor
Vampiric Tutor
Entomb

I could go on for a few pages but I'm sure you get the point.  
 
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 11:04AM #6
bay_falconer
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Nov 25, 2012 -- 6:26AM, Pontiac wrote:

Rancor is far from the most op card.




It's not even the most OP card in the Urza block. Let's go by color, shall we?

: Replenish , Opalescence , Academy Rector
: Palinchron , Time Spiral , Peregrine Drake , Cloud of Faeries
: Yawgmoth's Will , Yawgmoth's Bargain , Exhume , Phyrexian Plaguelord
: Goblin Welder
: Argothian Elder , Elvish Piper , Greater Good
Artifacts: Masticore , Memory Jar
Lands: Serra's Sanctum , Tolarian Academy , Gaea's Cradle

Jun 27, 2012 -- 12:04AM, GM_Champion wrote:

Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.


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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 11:07AM #7
Escef
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Nov 25, 2012 -- 11:04AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Lands: Cathedral of Serra ,...




Knew you couldn't do it without screwing it up.

Serra's Sanctum .

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 11:08AM #8
Pontiac
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Nov 25, 2012 -- 11:04AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Nov 25, 2012 -- 6:26AM, Pontiac wrote:

Rancor is far from the most op card.




It's not even the most OP card in the Urza block. Let's go by color, shall we?

: Replenish , Opalescence , Academy Rector
: Palinchron , Time Spiral , Peregrine Drake , Cloud of Faeries
: Yawgmoth's Will , Yawgmoth's Bargain , Exhume , Phyrexian Plaguelord
: Goblin Welder
: Argothian Elder , Elvish Piper , Greater Good
Artifacts: Masticore , Memory Jar
Lands: Cathedral of Serra , Tolarian Academy , Gaea's Cradle




I know eh! I was going to list out pretty much everything yu just did, but my daughter just woke up when I was writting the post.

oh urza's block was fun. 

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 25, 2012 - 11:09AM #9
bay_falconer
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Nov 25, 2012 -- 11:07AM, Escef wrote:

Nov 25, 2012 -- 11:04AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Lands: Cathedral of Serra ,...




Knew you couldn't do it without screwing it up.

Serra's Sanctum .




I always get those mixed up. Even though one's useless and one's insane in an enchantress deck.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 9:31AM #10
POSValkir1
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Yeah, I shouldn't have started off with "all time."  That was definitely the drunk rant part of the post.  Good thing I re-read it before I posted "I was talking about Standard guys, get it together."

Lol,  I know there are ways to deal with them, but Rancor especially is insane.  It provides so much card advantage if it resolves.  Even if it doesnt resolve its a downright bargain.  Almost anything that permenantly stops it costs more and would be put to better use on a more specific threat.  I guess why I think its OP is for that reason: Its like cancer while Overrun is like a nuke.

I guess you're right, at the end of the day its because I'm not very good yet and am getting annoyed that every single player I've played uses a copy of one of the pro-tour decks.  I think out of my last 20 matches, one person besides myself had a unique deck.  So while I am trying to find unique combos and learn the value of cards through discovery, everyone else cashes out, buys a known winner and heads off to hit the easy button.
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