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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 9:26AM
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Hello, This question arises because of some playtesting. The player casting Jace, Architect of Thought  has priority and uses his -2 bringing him to 2 loyalty counters, revealing a syncopate  and two other cards. Could I in response cast a searing spear  to kill Jace or would his ability completely resolve putting the syncopate in his hand to allow him to counter the searing spear? Thank you in advance! This play could be game changing!
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 9:32AM
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The ability is in the middle of resolving, no player gets priority to do anything while it is not completely done. At which time Syncopate  is already in the player's hand. So no, you cannot kill the planeswalker anymore before the counterspell is in your opponent's hand. Also, he gets priority first to do further stuff, since it is his turn.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 9:37AM
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The player casting Jace, Architect of Thought has priority and uses his -2 bringing him to 2 loyalty counters, revealing a syncopate and two other cards. Could I in response cast a searing spear to kill Jace or would his ability completely resolve putting the syncopate in his hand to allow him to counter the searing spear?
If you cast the Searing Spear in response to the ability, Jace will be put into its owner's graveyard (not die) before the ability can begin to resolve. If, on the other hand, you allow the ability to start resolving, you can only sit quietly and watch until the ability is fully resolved and your opponent has received and passed priority.
Since your opponent has revealed cards, the ability has started resolving.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 9:49AM
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The player casting Jace, Architect of Thought has priority and uses his -2 bringing him to 2 loyalty counters, revealing a syncopate and two other cards. Could I in response cast a searing spear to kill Jace or would his ability completely resolve putting the syncopate in his hand to allow him to counter the searing spear?
If you cast the Searing Spear in response to the ability, Jace will be put into its owner's graveyard (not die) before the ability can begin to resolve. If, on the other hand, you allow the ability to start resolving, you can only sit quietly and watch until the ability is fully resolved and your opponent has received and passed priority.
Since your opponent has revealed cards, the ability has started resolving.
Ok, so I can cast searing spear in response to the activation of Jace's  -2 but it has to be before the three cards are revealed? That way I could have him go to the graveyard but his ability would continue to resolve.
Thanks again!
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 9:53AM
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Ok, so I can cast searing spear in response to the activation of Jace's -2 but it has to be before the three cards are revealed? That way I could have him go to the graveyard but his ability would continue to resolve.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 10:15AM
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Jace will be put into its owner's graveyard (not die) before the ability can begin to resolve
Is going from the BF to the GY the definition of dieing?
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 10:16AM
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only for creatures
but it is a silly thing to nitpick, if you want to nitpick say that it is not destruction, that can actually be relevant
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 10:36AM
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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Dying is just "being put into the graveyard from the battlefield". It doesn't mean "being put into the graveyard from the battlefield while being a creature". When they template cards, they'll only use the word "dies" if they're talking about creatures (or about permanents that are very likely to be creatures), but that's just a style choice; it doesn't have any gameplay implications. For example, if you have two Boggart Shenanigans  enchantments and Naturalize  one of them, the ability of the other one will trigger, even though it uses the word "dies".
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:35AM
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Dies
A creature “dies” if it is put into a graveyard from the battlefield. See rule 700.6.
700.6. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.” It is used only when referring to creatures.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:36AM
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non-creatures can still "die"
it is just generally not used for them because of flavor reasons
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