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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 2:14AM
#21
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Date Joined:
Jul 23, 2012
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Because we are allowed to change our minds, I have made a couple of changes. I swapped Desolation Giant  and Moonhold  out for a couple of cards that are more aggressive; Hero of Oxid Ridge  and Plated Geopede  . Someone made a good point about Desolation Giant not being the best sweeper and this deck really doesn't need sweepers, and Moonhold just seemed so cautious and unnecesary. So I added Hero of Oxid Ridge because hasted battle cry is awesome, and I thought Plated Geopede would be fun and with the help of an Expanse  you could have a 5/5 first striker on turn three.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 6:09AM
#22
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Date Joined:
Jan 28, 2006
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A lot of people are asking for 2x Balefire Liege  . Am I the only one that thinks that would be too much for the deck? I think out of all the cards being suggested, that addition needs serious evaluation.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 6:38AM
#23
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A lot of people are asking for 2x Balefire Liege . Am I the only one that thinks that would be too much for the deck? I think out of all the cards being suggested, that addition needs serious evaluation.
Yeah, it would be pretty insane. Can you imagine having two of these out at the same time!?!
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 7:30AM
#24
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Date Joined:
Feb 27, 2011
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A lot of people are asking for 2x Balefire Liege . Am I the only one that thinks that would be too much for the deck? I think out of all the cards being suggested, that addition needs serious evaluation.
no, i agree. i've been meaning to change my vote for a little while.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 7:53AM
#25
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Date Joined:
Feb 27, 2011
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Explanations and rationale:
Squee's Embrace  - As a promo card? Really?
yes, really. It's a great utility card. +2 power is massive when you consider firt strike, but the biggest boon is the double life for whatever you enchant -- perfect on a liege, but great on spitemare, or any of your other fatties. It can also be used aggressively, e.g. to get a T2 3/3 fist striker, or a T3 3/4 doublestriker, that returns from the grave (e.g. to later be enchanted with a scourge). So yeah, it's a good candidate for promo.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 8:03AM
#26
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2005
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Just updating the card count.
54 card options until now.
Top cards:
Cerodon Yearling
Duergar Hedge-Mage
Figure of Destiny
Lightning Helix
Brion Stoutarm
Balefire Liege
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 10:07AM
#27
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Date Joined:
Nov 26, 2011
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Explanations and rationale:
Squee's Embrace - As a promo card? Really?
yes, really. It's a great utility card. +2 power is massive when you consider firt strike, but the biggest boon is the double life for whatever you enchant -- perfect on a liege, but great on spitemare, or any of your other fatties. It can also be used aggressively, e.g. to get a T2 3/3 fist striker, or a T3 3/4 doublestriker, that returns from the grave (e.g. to later be enchanted with a scourge). So yeah, it's a good candidate for promo.
Fair enough, and well explained. I still think the other cards people are mentioning that address glaring weaknesses with the deck should come first, but you make a good case.
Two Baleflire Lieges in the deck wouldn't break it. Your odds of getting both out and having their cumulative abilities immediately change the game isn't exactly high, especially with all of the permission and removal in this format. The chances of this are worth having a bit more consistency in this deck.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 10:52AM
#28
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Date Joined:
Jan 28, 2006
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Explanations and rationale:
Squee's Embrace - As a promo card? Really?
yes, really. It's a great utility card. +2 power is massive when you consider firt strike, but the biggest boon is the double life for whatever you enchant -- perfect on a liege, but great on spitemare, or any of your other fatties. It can also be used aggressively, e.g. to get a T2 3/3 fist striker, or a T3 3/4 doublestriker, that returns from the grave (e.g. to later be enchanted with a scourge). So yeah, it's a good candidate for promo.
Fair enough, and well explained. I still think the other cards people are mentioning that address glaring weaknesses with the deck should come first, but you make a good case.
Two Baleflire Lieges in the deck wouldn't break it. Your odds of getting both out and having their cumulative abilities immediately change the game isn't exactly high, especially with all of the permission and removal in this format. The chances of this are worth having a bit more consistency in this deck.
That's just it though. When almost every card in the deck makes a 6 life difference with Balefire Liege in play, I think the Liege is too good to be consistant. Especially with all the 2-3cmc   cards people are proposing.
It's not the same as Murkfiend Liege  for example, where it's second ability has little to no effect. A second copy of that would make SaS more consistant. Balefire Liege does so much more, probably than any other liege in the game. It makes every spell cast a threat. I personally don't think it should be something you expect to see every game.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:04AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 26, 2011
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Yes, but as good as that is, you won't consistently see the pair in action. This deck has minimal ways to draw cards, like Mentor of the Meek  , which ironically, Balefire Liege helps further limit. It also doesn't affect board position like Deathbringer Liege  , though that life swing at least makes up for it. It gives the deck more reach against faster aggro by giving you more chances to keep pace or better, and it gives you another way to outlast some hearty beaters you have a hard time stopping already. It gives the deck more consistency, and if you do happen to get both while you have a good presence on the board and a few cards in hand, and your opponent has no answers, you should be winning the game.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:11AM
#30
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Date Joined:
Jan 28, 2006
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Yes, but as good as that is, you won't consistently see the pair in action. This deck has minimal ways to draw cards, like Mentor of the Meek , which ironically, Balefire Liege helps further limit. It also doesn't affect board position like Deathbringer Liege , though that life swing at least makes up for it.
I'm not talking about having both in play. Everything I said was about having one in play. Almost every spell in the deck (with these proposed additions) will make a difference of 6 life (they lose 3 you gain 3) in addition to the spell itself.
I know how ridiculous it would be with both in play, that doesn't need mentioning. I'm talking about being able to consistantly expect to see one in play.
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