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6 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 7:35PM
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This happens to me all the time in paper Magic. No matter how many times I shuffle, cut, reshuffle, pile shuffle, cut, and shuffle again, I always end up with a bunch of the same card clumped together. Just last night I took an opening hand with two Aether Figment  s, and drew a third one on turn two. Not that I complained at the time.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 7:37PM
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I think people are quick to discount the mana weaving they do in real life. After all, if "setting" your deck the way you want it (with land dispersered evenly throughout) before shuffling had no effect, people wouldn't do it.
Furthermore, the rules state the deck has to be sufficiently randomized before play. Again, if people are mana weaving then shuffling enough to make the deck sufficiently random, the shuffling makes the mana weaving pointless.
Personally, I don't know for sure if there's some coding behind DotP's shuffling that makes certain things happen, but I do know of a lot of people (not anyone I can name-drop, just people that have brought it up in discussion) that have said DotP does it wrong because "Magic players set their decks properly before shuffling" and to be completely frank, those people are cheating.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 7:40PM
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Edit: People keep bringing up manaweaving. I personally don't do that at all, it's essentially cheating. After a game or before I cut my deck and just hammer it together or "smash" it together. Then riffle 6 or 7 times that's it. This happens to me all the time in paper Magic.
No matter how many times I shuffle, cut, reshuffle, pile shuffle, cut, and shuffle again, I always end up with a bunch of the same card clumped together.
Just last night I took an opening hand with two Aether Figment s, and drew a third one on turn two.
Not that I complained at the time.
I'm not talking about clumping, that's totally normal. I'm talking about the ability to have an opening hand with a ton of mana and say okay i bet I pull 3 or 4 land in a row if not more, and have that happen predictably.
Start a new game, be mana starved in the opening hand, 1 or fewer lands. Start with the hand anyways and still draw no land most of the time after 3 or 4 turns if not more. That has been my experience anyways.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 8:10PM
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In a real life game, if you have proper mana distribution (33-40% in a deck) a randomized shuffle will almost always give you a decent initial hand and draws.
I do a seven stack distribution then pile them up and "squash shuffle" (riffle without bending the cards) eight times. Then pull a stack from the middle, put it on top, pull a stack from the middle, put it on bottom, and squash shuffle at least three more times to fully randomize a deck. Usually works pretty well, though on occasion I don't draw all the lands I need. Of course, that may be due to deck composition more than bad draws.
It may be just me only remembering the bad draws, but in two-color decks for DotP 2013, I'm short the needed mana color about 40% of the time. I will do a spreadsheet if I can sometime, though a good sample size (100+ draws) will take a heck of a long time. And it won't matter if I prove the shuffling's off anyway. After all, when's the last time the developer fixed a bug that didn't crash the game outright (i.e. mana distribution in two-color decks, which is, from what I hear, a holdover from the 2012 version of this game.)
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6 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 9:16PM
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Yawn...this thread again.
Seriously people. It is as random as it can be. That is why you see weird stuff. Random = anything is possible.
I know, I know...computers can't do "true" random, but it is more random than any human brain could possibly discern from non-randomness.
Unless someone gives any type of "proof" on this topic, it is a total waste of time.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 18, 2012 - 9:38PM
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Yawn...this thread again.
Seriously people. It is as random as it can be. That is why you see weird stuff. Random = anything is possible.
I know, I know...computers can't do "true" random, but it is more random than any human brain could possibly discern from non-randomness.
Unless someone gives any type of "proof" on this topic, it is a total waste of time.
Yawn...defenders again
We all know how random works. But there is seriously a problem with DOTP randoms. Mulligan 3 times to see the same opening hand +/- 1 land.How many times do we see that? Certain deck builds(especially CW) mean you get consistently mana screwed or mana flooded. I have to run cards i don't wan in CW just to avoid the mana screw
I've lost count of how many times i've had to concede due to not drawing a land for 7+ turns.
Where as i very very rarely get land screwed with AW/OD/BoF
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6 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 8:32AM
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I rarely if ever get manascrewed in CW, GG, OD, BoF
I sometimes do in mill, but carddraw and cantrips fix it usually.
I believe they are tendencies you derive from playing a subset of games.
Think of it as an ocean, there are random waves and sometimes they go high, and sometimes they feel like they consistently wanna topple your boat.
But if they didn't happen, it would be truly... less... random.
I'm gonna run away now, I don't play well with fire...
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6 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 2:52PM
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Yawn...defenders again
We all know how random works. But there is seriously a problem with DOTP randoms. Mulligan 3 times to see the same opening hand +/- 1 land.How many times do we see that? Certain deck builds(especially CW) mean you get consistently mana screwed or mana flooded. I have to run cards i don't wan in CW just to avoid the mana screw
I've lost count of how many times i've had to concede due to not drawing a land for 7+ turns.
Where as i very very rarely get land screwed with AW/OD/BoF
Seriously, if you're going to make this claim you need to bring some data to the table or shut up. And are you actually trying to say that certain decks are less random than others? I would be fascinated to see any actual data to support your statements.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 2:54PM
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Yawn...defenders again
We all know how random works. But there is seriously a problem with DOTP randoms. Mulligan 3 times to see the same opening hand +/- 1 land.How many times do we see that? Certain deck builds(especially CW) mean you get consistently mana screwed or mana flooded. I have to run cards i don't wan in CW just to avoid the mana screw
I've lost count of how many times i've had to concede due to not drawing a land for 7+ turns.
Where as i very very rarely get land screwed with AW/OD/BoF
Seriously, if you're going to make this claim you need to bring some data to the table or shut up. And are you actually trying to say that certain decks are less random than others? I would be fascinated to see any actual data to support your statements.
It sounds crazy, but I kinda get the same vibe when I play the game. When I'm playing Crosswinds, land is always in abundance. When I'm playing Exalted Darkness, I always seem to get mana-screwed. I know it's not the case, but it sure feels that way.
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6 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 3:36PM
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Yawn...this thread again.
Seriously people. It is as random as it can be. That is why you see weird stuff. Random = anything is possible.
I know, I know...computers can't do "true" random, but it is more random than any human brain could possibly discern from non-randomness.
Unless someone gives any type of "proof" on this topic, it is a total waste of time.
Prove it
Chancellor of the Spires  is one of the worst cards in the deck. With only two of them, you are almost never going to get one in your starting hand. If you do get it in your starting hand, it will just sit there. If you get to cast it, it will get burned immediately. - gombl3r CW is NOT how a mono blue deck should work. -Khronikos If anyone in our little group believes in prayer ... we could use all you can give us. Edit: My name is Mark. It wouldn't be right to pray for the devil. -thedevilwuster
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