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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 9:55PM
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Bottom line, we would need to see how the shuffling is implemented/programmed/coded. Anyone have the means to do that?
Because otherwise, this discussion amounts to nothing more than "Is so! / Is not!"
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7 months ago ::
Nov 19, 2012 - 9:58PM
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I want to remind people I'm not voicing concern on the overall shuffle in every instance. Only when mana shows up in the patterns I listed. Otherwise if you get 2 to 3 lands in a hand you typically draw creatures, spells and land with what I would consider expected results. IE: sometimes well sometimes poorly.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 20, 2012 - 9:43AM
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Yawn...defenders again
We all know how random works. But there is seriously a problem with DOTP randoms. Mulligan 3 times to see the same opening hand +/- 1 land.How many times do we see that? Certain deck builds(especially CW) mean you get consistently mana screwed or mana flooded. I have to run cards i don't wan in CW just to avoid the mana screw
I've lost count of how many times i've had to concede due to not drawing a land for 7+ turns.
Where as i very very rarely get land screwed with AW/OD/BoF
Seriously, if you're going to make this claim you need to bring some data to the table or shut up. And are you actually trying to say that certain decks are less random than others? I would be fascinated to see any actual data to support your statements.
Condescending douche much?
Everybody who plays DOTP and puts lots of hours into a variety of decks knows the shuffling is janky and screwy. CW is the main culprit that i've seen so far. Even moving some cards around in the deck (keeping it at 61 with a good mana curve) affects how much/often you get land screwed or flooded.
But it isn't just me, i've seen it happen to countless opponents as well.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 20, 2012 - 2:47PM
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Nov 15, 2012
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Condescending douche much?
Only when talking to people worthy of condescension. So, yeah, quite a lot.
Everybody who plays DOTP and puts lots of hours into a variety of decks knows the shuffling is janky and screwy. CW is the main culprit that i've seen so far. Even moving some cards around in the deck (keeping it at 61 with a good mana curve) affects how much/often you get land screwed or flooded.
But it isn't just me, i've seen it happen to countless opponents as well.
Refer to Dapper's post on the front page.
To everyone who is claiming that this is a "is to/is not" argument, you are missing the point. I'm not saying that there is definitely no problem with the randomness, I'm saying that without real data nobody can know whether there is a problem with the randomness. Until someone provides a reasonably large, reliable data set this conversation is completely meaningless and a total waste of time.
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