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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 4:00PM #11
MGDerek
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If the Dragon isn't on the battlefield, wouldn't NO damage be dealt? I ask because it says the Dragon is the source of the damage.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 4:02PM #12
Enigma256
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it will deal damage, and will use LKI (Last Known Information) if it needs any information about the dragon

for example if the dragon had Lifelink before it died it will still gain damage
or protection from Red will still protect the target
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 4:39PM #13
ikegami
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Flavour-wise, his dying breath was one of fire
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 4:57PM #14
perodequeso
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Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:00PM, MGDerek wrote:

If the Dragon isn't on the battlefield, wouldn't NO damage be dealt? I ask because it says the Dragon is the source of the damage.



Abilities on the stack exist independently from their source.

@ ikegami; I like the imagery. 

STEP 1: Find your cousin

STEP 2: Get your cousin in the cannon

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 5:12PM #15
Argus_Panoptes
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Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:00PM, MGDerek wrote:

If the Dragon isn't on the battlefield, wouldn't NO damage be dealt? I ask because it says the Dragon is the source of the damage.



112.7a Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won't affect the ability. Note that some abilities cause a source to do something (for example, "Prodigal Pyromancer deals 1 damage to target creature or player") rather than the ability doing anything directly. In these cases, any activated or triggered ability that references information about the source because the effect needs to be divided checks that information when the ability is put onto the stack. Otherwise, it will check that information when it resolves. In both instances, if the source is no longer in the zone it's expected to be in at that time, its last known information is used. The source can still perform the action even though it no longer exists.


No, I am not a judge.  That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 4:26AM #16
dslatimore
Date Joined: Nov 11, 2009
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Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:39PM, ikegami wrote:

Flavour-wise, his dying breath was one of fire





Rules forum needs more posts like this.

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