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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 10:09AM #1
Emissary_of_Pain
Date Joined: Nov 12, 2012
Posts: 30
Hey all ...

I was busy sorting out my fat pack looking for cards to add to my Golgari Deck and noticed that I had planety red's ... so I slapped together a red deck (for my gf to use so I can practice) and I landed up liking the deck ...

Here is the deck -

12 x Mountain
10 x Swamp
2 x Rakdos Guildgate


2 x Rakdos Cackler
2 x Bellows Lizard
3 x Grim Roustabout
1 x Thrill-Kill Assassin
4 x Rakdos Shred-Freak
1 x Lobber Crew
1 x Hellhole Flailer
3 x Splatter Thug
3 x Cobblebrute
1 x Tenement Crasher
1 x Rakdos Ringleader
1 x Rakdos Ragemutt


1 x Deviant Glee
3 x Electrickery
2 x Annihilating Fire
2 x Traitorous Instinct
1 x Skull Rend
4 x Explosive Impact




How do you think this will fair in a tournament ... How can I improve it ?


All information would be greatly appreciated.

~Richard
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 11:35AM #2
Anubuss
Date Joined: Mar 9, 2007
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More Cacklers, less Lizards.  Roustabouts and Thrill-Kill should probably be Gore-House Chainwalker .  It's just a more aggressive combination.

Lobercrew and the Cobblebrutes need to be Searing Spear .  Crasher, Ringleader, Mutt and Rend should probably be Pillar of Flame .  Removal is important, and Red gets their's as reach.

Impact should be pretty much any creature with converted mana cost 2 or less. 

I'm not a big fan of enchantments as boosts, but if you're enjoying the Glee, you can cut the Elecktrickery for 3 more Glees.  And you can try out Furor of the Bitten over Glee.  I'd either cut a Flailer for a 4th Thug, or cut the Thugs for 3 more Flailer.  Adds consistancy.

Archwing Dragon OR Hellrider are also things to look into.  Hellrider pushes more damage through, while Dragon dodges a lot of sorcery-speed removal by bouncing himself.

Other solid 1 cmc creatures are Stromkirk Noble and Reckless Waif .

Red aggro wants to hit the ground fast and hard so you'll want at least 8 1 cmc creatures and at least 8 2 cmc creatures.

If you can get Dragonskull Summit s and Blood Crypt s they'll greatly improve your manabase over basiclands.  2 Guildgates is all you should need if you can get 4 of each.  Also, I'm a big fan of Dreadbore to deal with larger blockers/threats.

   
   
   
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 11:49AM #3
Emissary_of_Pain
Date Joined: Nov 12, 2012
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Wow ... thanks for the great feedback !! ...

I will pop into my local shop and see what single cards they have on offer and maybe pop a booster or 2

Deviant Glee was actually slapped in on a whim due to its cost effectiveness and it boosts the lower guys nicely if pulled early ...

Could you explain Reckless Waif ... Transform ? ... (sorry if that is a noob question)

I think I know someone with 2 Gore-House and 4 spare searing speares ... So lets see how that goes ...


Does the deck sound okay so far (tournament ready) ? ... considering It was made just from a bunch of boosters ... lol ...

I really should post a thread on my Golgari deck .. really need help with that as my Fatpack contained rubbish ... lol
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 12:48PM #4
Anubuss
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On the back of Recklass Waif is another card.  Unless you're using slip covers, you'll need 4 proxies (which you'll find 1 in the back over every Innistrad booster pack) to act as the Waifs while they're in your deck.

The act of fliping the card over from Waif (it's normal form) to it's other form is what Transform is.  You play Waif as a 1/1 and hope she Transforms on your opponent's turn into a nice 3/2 beatstick.  Then you make sure to never cast more than 1 spells a turn to keep her that way until the other player is dead.

The deck you posted is ok for casual play, but for any Tournament you'll find youself struggling.  You need speed if you want to compete. 

   
   
   
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 12:58PM #5
stepintherift
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Your deck seems a bit all over the place, so I wouldn't call it 'tournament ready', but it has potential.

First of all, you should fix your manabase. The dual lands will help you tremendously.

Personally, I would go down the aggro route (that means no cards over 4cmc) and add on top of what you already have cards like Rakdos Cackler , Diregraf Ghoul , Gravecrawler , a couple of Vexing Devil , Geralf's Messenger and Hellrider / Desecration Demon ... this, of course, if you can afford it. You also need removals. A playset of both Searing Spear and Pillar of Flame is pretty much mandatory. You could also consider running more glees, or, as Anubuss said, give up on them alltogether and take Furor of the Bitten .

Cards that you could really do without are the lizards, the assassin, lobber crew, hellhole flailer, cobblebrute, tenement crasher, rakdos ringleader/ragemutt, explosive impact and electrickery (not a bad card, but sideboard material at best).
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 5:51AM #6
Emissary_of_Pain
Date Joined: Nov 12, 2012
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Just some minor adjustments ... best I can do for now until I have more cash ... lol


10 x Mountain
10 x Swamp
4 x Rakdos Guildgate


4 x Rakdos Cackler
4 x Gravecrawler
4 x Rakdos Shred-Freak
1 x Hellhole Flailer
4 x Splatter Thug
2 x Cobblebrute
1 x Tenement Crasher
1 x Rakdos Ringleader
1 x Rakdos Ragemutt


2 x Searing Spear
3 x Electrickery
2 x Annihilating Fire
2 x Traitorous Instinct
1 x Pillar of Flame
4 x Explosive Impact



Thanks for the help so far ... will keep tinkering  ...

Either my shuffling sucks or I am battling a bit with lands ... Maybe I will add a few more CMC 1's removing the Crasher, Ringleader and Ragemutt

Just a question ... The dual lan cards especially the guildgates ... Don't they slow the deck down a bit considering they come in tapped ? ...
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 6:01AM #7
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The guildgates can slow it down a bit, but that doesn't matter so much in practice once you time putting them into play well. For example it's perfectly fine to lay a 1 drop turn one, then on turn two lay another 1 drop and a guildgate.

The Ravnica duals having the option to come into play straight at any time is why they're great, and as for the m13/innistrad ones( dragonskull summit etc,), they're pretty sweet because they come into play untapped pretty much every turn after the first one apart from rare occasions, and they're synergise brilliantly with the Ravnica duals.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 6:02AM #8
Anubuss
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Guildgates, yes, they slow you down.  That's why you really don't want more than 2 unless you REALLY need to color fixing.

Dragonskull Summit/Blood Crypt will almost never slow you down.  Summit comes into play untapped if you have a Mountain or Swamp in play, and Crypt will let you shock yourself to have it come into play untapped.  Add to that a Turn 1 Crypt enables a turn 2 Summit, because Crypt is a Mountain - Swamp.

Gravecrawler is terrible unless you're running other Zombies.  If you want to go this route, then check out the Zombies thread in the Tournamanet Center for ideas on what to shoot for.

24 lands is a little too many for Aggro, I try to stick to 22 or 23, but I also don't wun spells with cmc 5 or more.  If you're paying more than 3 mana for a spell, it better be worth it, and if I'm paying 5 or more, it better win me the game either this turn, or next turn.  How are you shuffeling?  That's probably the cause of your problems, unless you're trying to fire off those Impacts and those other 5+ cmc cards.

   
   
   
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 6:29AM #9
Emissary_of_Pain
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Damn ... So I need to invest a boatload in those specific lands you mentioned ... ... I wish cards where cheaper in my country ... lol ...

The only reason I put in gravecrawler is cause a friend gave me 4 of them and they were CMC 1 ... I need to look for better CMC 1 monsters but seems I just started and don't have unlimited funds ... I am just experimenting with what I have ...

(if I understand the cost correctly) Would 2x Blistercoil Weird &, 2x Nivmagus Elemental be good replacements for the gravecrawlers ?


I only have that many lands cause of my higher CMC cards especially the Impacts which have helped me so far ... 5 damage is decent when the player has a harder chance blocking it ... ... Or am I being naive ?


When I am shuffling my deck after having the cards out in their respective groups the first thing I do is - Pile Shuffle followed by Overhand Shuffle and then I use Ripple Shuffle
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 6:49AM #10
Anubuss
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5 damage is great, but not for Impact's cost.  If that's what you want to do, then run 2 or 3 Thunderous Wrath .  Top deck it and it's 5 to their face for 1 mana.

Nivmagus is a weird card.  He wants you to exile spells to make him bigger, while your spells would generally like to resolve.  He might be good as a SB card VS Counter-heavey decks, but unless you're running Guttersnipe it's probably best to stay away from him.

The Weird is ok.  If you have the Gravecrawlers on loan, then you might as well keep him in.  a 2/1 that can't block is about as good as either Weird or Nivmagus.  The problem is, with Gravecrawler and Cackler, your creature base starts to look like Zombies.  Add in 4 Diregraf Ghouls and you have their 1-drop creature base exactly.

Sounds like you're not quite shuffeling enough.  I generally use 3 pile shuffles with a few rifle shuffles in between before I think my decks been randomized sufficently.

   
   
   
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